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I regret buying this simulator

Discussion in 'Automobilista 2 - General Discussion' started by edu2703, Oct 26, 2020.

  1. Scraper

    Scraper Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Indeed. As long as complaints, queries and suggestions are couched in temperate language, the devs will want to hear them. That is the point of the Beta forum and this one: to refine the product. Similarly, praise lets them know they're on the right track. (No pun intended.)

    Having said that, the members here are not infallible. :whistle: The public will be the ultimate judge of the sim. Reiza has to walk a tightrope between realism and pragmatism in order to make a success of AMS2.
     
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  2. Gevatter

    Gevatter The James May of Simracing AMS2 Club Member

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    I wholeheartedly agree. I see you're no backer, so let me assure you that there is abundant constructive criticism in the beta forums. Without good criticism a game cannot progress well.

    I urge anyone who hasn't yet to at least try the GPL 2020 demo. You get a handful of diverse cars and tracks to try it out and see what the modding community managed to achieve.
    Go here for infos & downloads: GPL 2020 Demo
     
  3. alink

    alink Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    GPL was and is the best ever created!
    It had not only a great physic, carset, tracks and son on.... for sure, AMS2 is a sirous competitor and can top GPL, maybe :)
    No, It's everything!
    The UI (user interface, menu), how and what to setup in garage, the flag marshals (oooh, how do I miss them), the sound, the AI (ok, in special cases they were really stubborn but OK, hard but fair and no pussy), and and and.....

    But the really best thing, and that's why it was, although with 22years, a hard SIM, no chance of setting opponent difficulty or aggression! No 50%, no 75%, no 99%,... always 100%. The only thing to set was the race length, nothing else.

    But this was Papyrus Racing Games, who also made IndyCar and NASCAR, a perfection in EVERY point (except graphics, this was not the most important, maybe on third/fourth/fifth place of importance). But sadly, in 2004 Papyrus ended.
     
  4. DaWorstPlaya

    DaWorstPlaya Active Member

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    The core of Papyrus also turned in iRacing, so what went wrong there? o_O
     
  5. alink

    alink Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Yes, the base of NR2003Series went into iRacing, but Papyrus, as a racing - sim - specialist, has been gone.
     
  6. DaVeX

    DaVeX AMSUnofficial Staff AMS2 Club Member

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    And I am here missing the old Destruction Derby games...
     
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  7. BrunoB

    BrunoB TT mode tifosi BANNED

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    Correct. The guys behind iRacing including the guy responsible for the different Papyrus tire models Dave Kaemmer bought the rights of the NR2003 code from the video game firm Vivendi and established FIRST (later renamed iRacing).
    And actually Kaemmer some years later in a courtroom admitted that about 80% of the code behind iRacing was still the NR2003 code.
    Where the original NR2003 TM in iRacing some years later was renamed O(ld)TM in contrast to all the following N(ew)TM versions.:rolleyes:

    ByTheWay: Inside the NR2003 code was included 4 different tire models which different mods could use without having to crack/modify the NR2003.exe. Only a few mods like the famous GTP mod was "silently" allowed to modify the exe.;)
     
  8. Marius H

    Marius H Internal Beta Tester Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Destruction Derby 2 was lit!
     
  9. Spitfire1

    Spitfire1 New Member

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    AMS2 is a very good simcade based on project cars 2.
     
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  10. BartZ

    BartZ Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Simcade? Really? Have a go with Forza, Grid or PCars3. You will then hopefully learn the difference between those and a SIM.
     
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  11. TekNeil

    TekNeil Take me back to the 2.4l, twin 50 weber days...

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    Fair points...
    I don't regret buying it as such (Even at £100 quid for the full monty on day 1), but I am disappointed by it at the moment.
    There have been times where the game has felt very good to me, but suffered with many annoying bugs and issues. I held hope that issues would/will be resolved over time. At times, there was superb feel under braking and with weight transfer (Default FFB)

    Recently though it just doesn't feel like it has in the past, or at best feels the same all the while with the issues remaining, some very annoying ones since day one. Yet, new content keeps coming and the issues persist.

    I don't (Yet) regret buying it, as I still have a little hope that things will be sorted over time. I am pretty miffed for example, that have not yet been able to enjoy the superkart VS A.I as it's been broken since the start. This actually stopped me making Youtube videos as the issues became too frustrating.
    Holding out hope that my money was well spent.
     
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  12. pfoetiman76

    pfoetiman76 New Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I regret I bought ACC and spent hundreds of euros in iRacing.
    Never had so much fun for my money like I have with AMS 2.
    But hey, that is just my opinion.
    The only thing I regret about AMS 2 is that I can’t play any other Sim because no other gives me the feeling and fun.
     
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  13. farcar

    farcar Well-Known Member

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    That was Psygnosis as opposed to Papyrus.
     
  14. DaVeX

    DaVeX AMSUnofficial Staff AMS2 Club Member

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    yep I know, was just thinking how I wasn't missing GPL at all (since it was and still is too hard for me) while I was missing the fun of Destruction Derby games lol :p
     
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  15. steelreserv

    steelreserv Well-Known Member Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I don’t understand the mentality of not liking a game for whatever reason and then logging onto the forums to piss in everyone else’s cornflakes before leaving.

    What the internet needs more of is misinformed, naive and redundant criticism.

    I also don’t understand the pc2/madness stigma that never seems to go away. Pc2’s FFB was terrible but Im loving it now with Karsten’s silver custom ffb. Ams2 is and will be better. (Initial review of GT3 content from ppl I trust say its on par with ACC.)

    All in all i disagree with the OP and imo he must uninstall all other games, quit his job and play AMS2 for the rest of his life.
     
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  16. Scoops

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    I thought the OP was relatively balanced post. They admitted they didn’t have the history and made assumptions that lead the to buy a product that as V 1.0 they thought would be the finished product?

    I think the devs can take a lot from that in that it’s reasonable for new users to have this point of view.
     
  17. Spitfire1

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    Demolition racer ps1, test drive eve ps2, demolition derby raw ps1.
     
  18. steelreserv

    steelreserv Well-Known Member Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Have you ever had a job where you busted your a@@ for something, got it done, then some customer or client nitpicks and criticizes you just for the sake of it?

    I’ve never been involved with a game where the development team has been so active, transparent and responsive to its community like Reiza. Never.

    Reiza is an independent developer with limited resources who have taken on a MASSIVE challenge.

    They have earned my respect and deserve to be defended from the peanut gallery.
     
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  19. Scoops

    Scoops Member

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    I agree completely with you I just see the OP as constructive as most of his comments are caveated by the fact that he didn’t do lots of research prior to buying.

    The point I’m trying to make is that there will lots of new sim racers in exactly the same position. See the newest sim released and will have expectations. Should they expect a V1.0 sim to be at the level AMS2 is at the minute?
    For me I’m really enjoying it and being on the journey for me is great. But it’s not for everyone as the OP suggests.
     

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