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Multiplayer ranking system?

Discussion in 'Automobilista 2 - General Discussion' started by F1 Hero, Jul 20, 2020.

  1. Scraper

    Scraper Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    If anyone here happens to be looking for online racing, whether one-off events or leagues, please consider JustRace.net. It's free and it caters to AMS1, AMS2, ACC, rF2 and RaceRoom. It specialises in helping players to host their own events. There is also a ranking and safety system.

    The JustRace FAQ explains more about the service.
     
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  2. Roy Niessink

    Roy Niessink Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I had a quick look, but am i correct that there are only races for ams2 once/twice a day? It would be nice to have races every hour imho, or did i not look good enough at it
     
  3. Nobkins

    Nobkins Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    That would be nice but JR is a place for communities to join and help them manage events whilst also giving drivers lots of stats and choice.

    If you just want to drop into an event just browse the in game lobbies.

    JR is aimed at organised events with tools to help communities run events easily and to encourage people to race cleanly.


    JustRace doesn't host their own races, we provide the tools for communities to host races easily.

    Hope that makes sense. In short hourly drop in events is not what we are going for. Instead planned / scheduled events with a dedicated high standard of drivers.
     
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  4. Roy Niessink

    Roy Niessink Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Ok, i thought it was something like simracingsystem which has hourly races for mostly AC, thnx for the clarification
     
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  5. Scraper

    Scraper Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Sorry for the misunderstanding. I have no association with JustRace other than belonging to the same discord as some of the developers. I'm glad Nobkins could explain things.
     
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  6. neal

    neal Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    but it is not free, it is user's privacy and use of their personal data that is the payment, this is a very underhanded way of collecting email addresses for example as they now have mine. I knew nothing of the EULA until after they had got my email address and sent an enrollment confirmation email. Then I had to agree to the EULA.
     
  7. Roy Niessink

    Roy Niessink Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Well to be fair, once you go on the internet a lot of your privacy is gone already, you signed up to steam, this forum, and maybe facebook/instagram/twitter etc,etc, you may even use whatsapp on your phone, so privacy has gone out the window already.

    Just subscribe using a alternate email adress, i use one for serious stuff, and one with which i register to other stuff
     
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  8. Nobkins

    Nobkins Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I doubt I am going to change your mind but that is quite some suggestion to make and it is completely untrue. Did you feel that using this 100% free reiza forum is an "underhanded way of collecting email addresses"?

    The existence of an EULA does not mean we sell your data. Quite the opposite. The EULA outlines what we can use the data for and makes that clear to people. It is a legal requirement and you have signed many EULA's for the various services you use, including this forum.

    Yes of course you do. Same with any other service. You get told what we need to collect (email address and race data) and then you have the option to allow this or not. If you don't allow it then we can't provide the service so obviously you can't use it. You are free to use the JustRace system or not. That is your choice and that is how it should be.

    Did you read the EULA? What gives you the impression we are selling your data?

    We have to collect basic information to make the service work. The EULA outlines that and explains that. You are free to delete your account and any associated data as well (darn it I was just about to sell your lap records and make millions - joke sorry couldn't resist).

    The EULA says right at the top this line:
    • We use Your Personal data to provide and improve the Service. By using the Service, You agree to the collection and use of information in accordance with this Privacy Policy.
    and then it tells you exactly what we collect:
    • Personal Data

      While using Our Service, We may ask You to provide Us with certain personally identifiable information that can be used to contact or identify You. Personally identifiable information may include, but is not limited to:
      • First name and last name
      • Email address
      • Country
      • Logs from racing servers are parsed by the JustRace system for ranking, results and statistics purposes.
    It then goes into quite some detail (as most EULA's do) in to how we can use that data and how you can delete your account / data etc. None of the EULA allows us to sell your data. That is what the EULA does. It outlines what we need to provide the service and how we will use it. At no point does it permit us to sell your data.

    We don't send out any emails ourselves other than registration emails and password changes. We don't give any data to anyone else and you are free to leave and destroy you data at any time and you are free to use or not use the service.

    It is 100% free with no adverts and paid for by the two developers who do all the coding. It has been developed for over five years and for all of that time it has all been paid for by the developers and a few donations (which we get rarely). I am one of those developers and we are just trying to make something that makes community admins life easier (and I am also one of those admins running AMSUnofficial) and race's better for drivers.

    Not everything is for profit. In fact this costs us quite a lot but it is our hobby and we do it for fun of it. In the same way that I run AMSUnofficial and enjoy racing with those people that join our events.

    If your going to assume everyone is google, microsoft, facebook, harvesting client data for advisement etc. then sometimes you'll miss out on things that are genuinely free and with no adverts and not for profit. We literally do this in our spare time at our own expense for the benefit of others.

    I will look at adding a link to the EULA on the registration page as then you would have chance to read it in detail before registration. That is a small oversight on our behalf but does not warrant the accusation that we are selling your personal data.

    Sometimes constructive feedback can be given in such a way as to not make unfounded accusations.
     
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  9. Roy Niessink

    Roy Niessink Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Well, i do think in this day of age it is a necessity, not for everyone offcourse, but there is a reason acc and raceroom or even iracing has a huge/bigger and growing playerbase, thats not just because of the singleplayer i do know that.

    A ranking system for sure would make ams2 complete, and for a fact i know a lot of people who do both iracing and ams2, iracing only because of the ranking,and they will come more to ams2 if that has a good rankingsystem.

    One thing does not have to rule out the other imho
     
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  10. Nobkins

    Nobkins Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    @neal
    So I tried to make something positive from your post and have added the ability to view the EULA on the registration screen. Constructive feedback would have been a nicer way to achieve this though.

    None the less we try to take onboard feedback even if it is combined with untrue blanket statements.

    Not bad given your post was only made 1hour 25mins ago!

    Let me know if you want your account removing. It is not a problem. We would of course prefer you to make use of the system as it is free, with no adverts and we don't sell your personal data.
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  11. stealthradek

    stealthradek Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I totally agree that ranking would build up the user base. But what I'm thinking is that the part of our simracing community pointlessly disregards AMS2 because it lacks something that isn't even essential but is treated as "no feature - no game". Is it really THAT essential? Or is it just used as a poor excuse to carry on with iR/ACC/R3E?

    AMS2 reminds me of the original AC with its "unfinished" state, it's missing a lot of features but it's still the one that I want to play. We've seen plenty of leagues or events in AC without it featuring ranking system. Why all of a sudden this is a must have? "No ranking no play" kind of thing which is bonkers. It helps with open lobbies being clean-isher, I'm not denying that, but is it such a big deal if it's not there?
     
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  12. McClutch

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    my expercne with the rankifn system in PCARS2 was enough it was more a tool of frustration. Not only was it easy to fool, no, some S-Dudes got bored and began griefing. IF a rating system is in function, it should absolutely also keep bored high rated players away by not allowing to join way under their league. Most rating system work only from high up to down. So we would need the option to set a "max" and "min" rating for Lobbies,
     
  13. Bizarre Formula

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    I'm with you. In PC2 I joined the club server, people thought that license was off and after the race, on cooldown lap, the S-rated guys were messing around so I joined in... I went straight to U in my first online event in the game and it took an age to get back up to even a C.

    Every time I wanted to race with them for a decent while I had to ask them to lower the cap so I could participate. After getting back up to a C I switched it off whenever I hosted and didn't often join one that had it for just that reason.

    I get why some people want it but I wont use it and would much sooner see more control for the host over the created server, a kick function and/or ban list for example. On the very rare occasions where someone has been intentionally ramming, kicking them was not often successful with the vote system and it is most commonly used by impatient people at race start.
     
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  14. Shadak

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    Personally im on the fence unless they bring out something big like iRacing (not the same system, just similar popularity).

    I mean look at rF2, I think it still has one of the best tyre model feeling and physics in some cars. But their comp system is arguably sh1t. Somethings dont work for technical reasons but also the whole structure, while they are trying to adjust now, doesnt work. There were couple of hundred drivers the first week and then it went downhill slowly, now with single digits per race from what I saw.

    I havnet raced much in the last half year or so but when I do, I just jump into ACC public lobby, race from the back and enjoy the game, if I get taken out, I've got nothing to worry about, it happens so rarely that SA has never moved.

    In AMS2, we could write paragraphs on what is, what isnt and what could be. Fact of the matter is, there is about 170-250 avg. players online, from what Renato said about 50% is mainly offline racers. From the remaining 100, 50-80 might be in leagues? Now honestly, I cant see how such small numbers could define some sort of match making system, or even rating system in general that shows any meaningful results. Take into account that not everyone likes all the content? Hell, I dont like to drive 70% of the cars here :) ... Granted, seeing the comp system might bring in more people, but how many? Im waiting for some specific fixes and changes and comp system isnt going to make me play if Im honest and I know others who feel the same way, there are quite a lot of areas that need work before doing something like this.

    In the end though, as said multiple times, Reiza probably knows best whats worth doing from the financial point of view, as this is still business, I dont imagine they are working on AMS2 in evenings after they finish the main job :)
     
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  15. Lab Pong

    Lab Pong OG Sim'er

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    I do not find that in RRE much at all......though there are a few ways you can loose points because it is a connection issue or someone takes you out. The ranking system in RRE keeps the jerks out that do not want to actually race..and then some want to race and then when they see they are not skilled enough yet to keep up...they turn into corner bombs.
     
  16. Wolfgang Herold

    Wolfgang Herold I Like Liveries :) AMS2 Club Member

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    such a system is counter productive for experienced drivers, mostly driving in private leagues and want only drive public from time to time.
    Also prevents pro's to attend other sims mp's, just to have some fun.
    So not every newbie is a jerk :p
     

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