Telemetry software with AMS2 - choices?

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  1. Magnus

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    I was just watching a YouTube video about analysing telemetry data in my bid to generally improve my current abilities. It was fairly basic stuff but during it they referred to and used a program called Z1 Analyser which is available for AMS1, among other sims, but not AMS2.

    It looked great and appeared to have a good layout allowing novices to be hand held while offering the depth that experienced drivers would want. It got me thinking about looking into this a little more seriously but from my initial online searches many similar projects are subscription based, which for my level and stage is probably too expensive.

    So I’m hoping that the wise and experienced members here may be able to suggest anything they use or even why some subscriptions may simply be worth every penny. Or....that the devs who designed Z1 Analyser read this and say...”Hey, don’t worry - it’s coming to AMS2 soon.”:D
     
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    azaris Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Z1 Analyzer works with AMS2. Just set the shared memory to "Project CARS 2" and turn on the Project CARS 2 importer in Z1.
     
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    2ndLastJedi Free speech matters AMS2 Club Member

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    I'm starting out with RST (Racing Sim Tools) thanks to @steelreserv and his videos.
     
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    Scraper Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I'm thinking of doing the same but I wish RST was a single purchase and not a subscription. It's not Netflix!
     
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  5. Magnus

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    I had hoped it may work but wasn't sure, that's great news though. I'll download the Demo and give it a try. Thank you
     
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    I had a look at RST off the back of Steel's telemetry vid, it looks very good but as Scraper says...

    It may be great value if you get plenty of use from it (or can make best use of it, I'm not sure if I'll undertsand half the features) but I'm always happier with a one off fee. If they have a Demo I'd happily have a look at it.

    I know I need to look at my driving far more than any setup if I want to see any substantial improvement so it's time to get analytical with some data...and any software that can provide that data in a clear, useful and noob friendly manner would be great.
     
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    2ndLastJedi Free speech matters AMS2 Club Member

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    Lol, I have only downloaded it and not even installed it, hence me saying "I'm stating out in RST" . It was a free download, I didn't even see a price other than paying for setups. May have to rethink that software.
     
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    steelreserv Well-Known Member Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    One thing I can say is, with RST you're not stuck with just the software and a manual, but you have access to the RST discord where the creators are vey active answering questions about anything along with the rest of the community who are all in various stages of learning. I was there once too!

    I do have to say though. Telemetry does NOT make setups for you. It simply records the adjustments you make and helps you visualize the effects. A LOT of testing is still required. It takes me over 8 hours of testing in a lot of cases...Also, you will find yourself doing a lot of research on each of the subjects on your own just to understand the terminology, how components work etc. I have a virtual library of bookmarked materials to refer to right now.

    But if you are interested in learning about the mechanical aspects of tuning, with a practical purpose behind it, it may give you the incentive to delve into the subject.

    That being said, everyone should make their own value determination. The subscription model is quite steep (I am a legacy one off purchaser, 3 games X $15 each). My only real issue is they do not make it very easy starting up and AMS2 doesn't have baseline parameters installed with the software as with other sim titles like ACC. (Kunos worked with RST, Reiza so far has not)

    In that regard, I share my parameters on my discord channel, and others on the RST discord are often willing to do the same.

    If you guys have any specific questions, post them here and I'd be more than happy to try and answer them for you.
     
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    2ndLastJedi Free speech matters AMS2 Club Member

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    I'm quite good at driving to feel out what needs adjusting (I'm no nemisis) but was interested in telemetry just for the extra bit of knowledge. May just give it a miss for now.
     
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    alink Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    If RST didn't change anything, after download you can buy the licence for any SIM, one time, no monthly bill. You can also pay by creditcard instead of paypal. In Germany I payed 15€ for a really good software.
    But as @steelreserv says
    , telemetry tools just showing the values of sensors, it is up to you (and not the software) what to do with that.
    RST does many calculations so you get many and detailed information how things play together but at the same way it is hard to understand what it means and for prof job you can take many hours in studying these values...
     
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    Looks good, pretty much looks like the RST. Does anyone have experience with this and say RST or Z1 to compare to compare?
     
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    I’ve been using this and it’s fantastic in so much as it has everything you could need, well it certainly seems that way in my noobish opinion. One of the things i love about it is that as a VR player I can run it across to my second PC so that I don’t have to switch between windows and lose mouse control and irritating things like that.

    I do find some of the controls a little clunky. Such as zooming in onto a section of track to see my racing lines/braking points etc....though this could just be that I haven’t set it up very well.

    All of my opinions should be taken with a pinch of salt though....and here’s why; after how ever many months of playing this game I realised only this morning that my steering sensitivity was set to 50%:confused: I feel like I’m playing a different game now.:D Yes, I’m clearly an idiot!
     
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    That's because that's the default - linear steering - that it should be.
     
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    Really? It seems so much better at 100% Have I just found myself using a "cheat" steering switch....what's the use for steering sensitivity?
     
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    azaris Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    You can increase steering sensitivity to make the steering nonlinear in the sense that the steering input is rapidly increased away from the center. It can feel more responsive and some people think it's easier to catch slides this way, but the price is that you wear out your front tyres faster and it gets harder to make small precise inputs. I didn't find myself any faster on 100% compared to the default 50%.
     
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    I'm a bit concerned about my general settings now.

    I've just reset my steering sensitivity to 50% and done a few laps at Imola. Using Tosa as an example my in-car wheel/arms will be at a 1/4 turn whilst my actual arms will be nearly crossing each other. Turn in is severely sluggish and the overall experience is pretty nasty.

    I’ve now recalibrated my wheel in game and I'm now looking at my Fanatec settings outside the game. Everthing appears normal (max steering angle at 1080 etc.) I'm not sure about damping, it's at 100% in the wheel settings and 0% in-game but I'm still not sure exactly what that does. I’ve also reset all of my in-wheel settings (FEI, DPR etc) to those recommended by Fanatec just in case something has gone awry there. I’ll test and see what it’s like.

    I’m derailing my own thread here...
     
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    Scraper Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    That sounds as though your wheel calibration is incorrect.

    The text accompanying the AMS 2 wheel calibration is ambiguous and can lead to confusion. After turning the wheel to its maximum extent and pressing "Save", the user is prompted to turn the wheel so that it is 90° left or right. What the wording doesn't make clear is if the wheel should be returned to its original position and then turned 90° or if it should be turned 90° immediately.

    Perhaps another try is in order? :)
     
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    Coanda aahhh whinge whinge f@#ken whinge.. Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    mate you do alright.. :cool:

    I hope reiza give us motec/aim..
     
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    Yeah, there’s quite a bit of ambiguity in the instructions and notes within AMS2 currently. I’ve always taken that to mean return it to ‘centre’ and then rotate 90 degrees (I’ve no idea where the degree symbol is on an iPad.)

    I’ve recalibrated everything and found that 100% steering sensitivity gives me not only a matching in-game wheel and real life wheel but is knocking off at least 1.5 seconds per lap on most tracks I’ve tested, which seems nuts, but appears to work well for me. Yesterday I tested the 911 GT3 at Donington GP and even with my coast ramp at 30 degrees was struggling to get round the hairpin, now it’s turning in beautifully.

    I’m having one of those days where I’ve no idea if I’m doing things properly, yet times are going in my favour:)
     
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