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Automobilista 2 - Extended Car Info Spreadsheet

Discussion in 'Automobilista 2 - General Discussion' started by Coanda, Mar 23, 2021.

  1. Coanda

    Coanda aahhh whinge whinge f@#ken whinge.. Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Thanks matey thats my understanding too.. Vehicle weights on the SS come from the vehicle info Ui..
     
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  2. Bull Shark

    Bull Shark Later has long since begun. AMS2 Club Member

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    Thanks for this great sheet. 1 thing, I would make the top row text white instead of red. Makes it much better to read. Thumbs up.
     
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  3. Coanda

    Coanda aahhh whinge whinge f@#ken whinge.. Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Ginetta G55 GT4 & SuperCup

    Suspension: Currently in AMS2 we have non displayed fixed springs for both front and rear; 12-13 ARB position adjustments and no 2-way damper adjustment.

    The official Ginetta G55 technical manual lists 140 N/mm front springs and 131 N/mm rear springs for both their dry and wet setups; 4 ARB position adjustments for both front and rear with stiffness change rates and 2-way adjustable damper with damper velocity graphs.

    ams2_ginetta_g55_susp_3.jpg ams2_ginetta_g55_susp_4.jpg
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  4. Coanda

    Coanda aahhh whinge whinge f@#ken whinge.. Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    v1.0.27 (OP Updated)

    - added 360hz steering wheel torque data for the following cars..
    BMW M8 GTE
    Porsche 911 RSR-19 GTE
    Chevrolet Corvette C8.RGTE
    McLaren 570S GT4

    Copa Trucks
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  5. Coanda

    Coanda aahhh whinge whinge f@#ken whinge.. Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    GT4 Suspension

    Here are the SRO GT4 technical regulations. A maximum of 3 sets of springs will be homologated and 3-way or 4-dampers are not permitted. Two of the competition sims follow these rules.

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    BMW M4 GT4

    The suspension we have in AMS2 is as follows:
    ARB: Front & Rear - 21 adjustments 0-200 N/mm
    Springs: Front 9 adjustments 152-280 N/mm || Rear 10 adjustments 80-220 N/mm
    Dampers: Front & Rear - 2-way dampers with 11 adjustments

    The suspension regulations and manufacturer information are:
    ARB: Front & Rear - 3 adjustments purchased through AP Motorsport
    Springs: Front & Rear - 3 spring rates homologated and manufactured by Ohlins
    *ACC has this set at: Front 166 N/mm; 184 N/mm; 203 N/mm || Rear 90 N/mm; 102 N/mm; 114 N/mm
    Dampers: Front & Rear - 2-way damper Ohlins F82 TTX46 CR with *24 adjustments

    https://www.bmw-motorsport.com/cont..._Infobroschure_EN.pdf.asset.1568005566778.pdf
    ams2_bmw_m4_gt4_susp_1.jpg

    Ohlins official website:
    "The TTX46 front and rear dampers are used with great success in the GT4"

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    "Öhlins TTX dampers, Such dampers are used on DTM touring cars, NASCAR, and the track-ready BMW M4 GT4 and BMW M6 GT3."

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    *The number of damper adjustments are a little off. ACC has this set at 24 for bump & rebound and iRacing has this set at 25 for bump and 18 for rebound. The following picture is taken from the Ohlins TTX46 owners manual and although they do not mention the maximum adjustment steps we can clearly see that there is more than 11 adjustments which is what we have in AMS2 today.

    ams2_bmw_m4_gt4_susp_3.jpg
     
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  6. Micropitt

    Micropitt Mediocre driver doing mediocre laps AMS2 Club Member

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    Great info. Looks like the GT4 class in AMS2 needs some fine tuning......
     
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  7. Micropitt

    Micropitt Mediocre driver doing mediocre laps AMS2 Club Member

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    Some thoughts to the GT4 class car.....
    On what homologation class are the GT4 cars in AMS2 based? Is it GT4, Imperio Endurance Brasil, a mixed bag of both or something entirely different? The cars we have in the GT4 class do run in the Imperio Endurance Brasil.
     
  8. Coanda

    Coanda aahhh whinge whinge f@#ken whinge.. Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Camaro GTR.4

    An odd vehicle in AMS2 as there is no display and adjustments to spring rates, ARBs, dampers, bump stops.

    The suspension we have in AMS2 is as follows:
    ARB: Front & Rear - 0?
    Springs: Front & Rear - 0?
    Dampers: Front & Rear - 0?

    The suspension regulations and manufacturer information are:
    ARB: Front & Rear - 3 adjustments
    Springs: Front & Rear - 3 spring rates homologated and manufactured by Ohlins
    *ACC has this set at: Front 166 N/mm; 184 N/mm; 203 N/mm || Rear 90 N/mm; 102 N/mm; 114 N/mm
    Dampers: Front - 2-way damper Ohlins TTX46 CR with *24 adjustments & Rear Front - 2-way damper Ohlins TTX36 CR with *24

    As we can see from the official specs the dampers used are very similar to the BMW M4 GT4 and there is adjustable ARB's both for front and rear. Like most sims there is also a lot more adjustments to the rear wing in real life.

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  9. Coanda

    Coanda aahhh whinge whinge f@#ken whinge.. Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    McLaren 570s GT4

    An odd vehicle in AMS2 as there is no display and adjustments to spring rates, ARBs, dampers, bump stops.

    The suspension we have in AMS2 is as follows:
    ARB: Front & Rear - 0?

    Springs: Front & Rear - 0?
    Dampers: Front & Rear - 0?

    The suspension regulations and manufacturer information are:
    ARB: Front & Rear - 2 adjustments

    Springs: Front & Rear - Up to 3 spring rates homologated and manufactured by Penske Racing Shocks
    *ACC has this set at: Front 140 N/mm; 175 N/mm || Rear 163 N/mm; 176 N/mm
    Dampers: Front & Rear - 2-way damper Penske 7500 DA with 40 bump adjustments and 24 rebound adjustments with the sweep eyelet or 80 with a knob adjuster.


    ams2_mclaren_570s_gt4_tech_specs.jpg

    Penske 7500 DA manuals:

    https://www.penskeshocks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/TECH-MANUAL-PS-7500-DA-08-10.pdf
    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0537/5721/4919/files/PRSUK_7500_Manual.pdf?v=1612260589

    ams2_mclaren_570s_gt4_penske_shocks_damper_graph.jpg
    ams2_mclaren_570s_gt4_penske_shocks_damper_graph_2.jpg

    * ACC has two ARB adjustments and this stands up for the following testimonial..

    UNDER THE SKIN: MCLAREN 570S GT4 - WOKING CLASS HERO - Auto Action
    "The roll bars have only two positional adjustments, plus your ride heights, cambers and tyre pressures.”

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  10. RoloFuentes

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    Copa Truck without driver (VR)
    No gear change animation
    How many gears they really have?
     
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    jimortality Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Can I trouble you to add what type of shifter each car uses please so I can set up hshifter or sequential before going into game. Many thanks
     
  12. Coanda

    Coanda aahhh whinge whinge f@#ken whinge.. Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Devs are aware of this. Copa Trucks use a 5 speed manual and most are dogleg depending on driver preference..

    it's already there o_O:p

    Thanks matey for the kind words... It use to be like this however it was converted to follow the Reiza colour theme..
     
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    jimortality Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I still couldn't see it for looking but then I found it!!! brilliant stuff, thanks for you ongoing work with this.
     
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  14. oez

    oez Mayor of Long Beach AMS2 Club Member

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    I also display Coanda's sheet data here. Whichever you prefer :). IVECO Stralis | Cars of AMS2

    Disclaimer: mine is not always up to date with the latest stuff. I need to do a sheet data update asap... (it only takes a few minutes technically, but I was busy with the redesign so quite far behind with lots of changes to oversee!)
     
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  15. jimortality

    jimortality Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    That's very well done also, now bookmarked thanks
     
  16. Bull Shark

    Bull Shark Later has long since begun. AMS2 Club Member

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    Sorry for this perhaps stupid question,
    I see a nice table called Wheel Rim Type. Great but I don’t know what type they are. Round, F1, GT3 Rim etc.
    Where stands RSM, RSFL1, RSU, RSFL3, GTF1etc for?
    Great info by the way. Thanks for setting this up.
     
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  17. Coanda

    Coanda aahhh whinge whinge f@#ken whinge.. Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Porsche Cup - 2015 (3.8 Litre) & 2017 (4.0 Litre)

    The suspension we have in AMS2 is as follows:
    ARB: Front & Rear - 11 adjustments 10-60 N/mm
    Springs: Front Fixed at 240 N/mm || Rear Fixed at - 260 N/mm
    Dampers: Fixed
    Helper Springs: N/A

    The suspension regulations and manufacturer information are:
    ARB: Front - 7 adjustments 15,16,19,24,34,49,58 N/mm || Rear - 7 Adjustments 15,16,19,24,34,48,57 N/mm

    Springs: Front Fixed at 240 N/mm; D:60 L:120 mm || Rear Fixed at - 260 N/mm D:60 L:130 mm
    Dampers: Fixed
    Helper Springs: Front 75 N/mm; D:60 L:43 mm || Rear 80 N/mm D:60 L:60 mm


    IMSA Suspension Regulations:
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    Front ARB: From Porsche Motorsport technical manual.

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    Rear ARB: From Porsche Motorsport technical manual.
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    Gear Ratios: Gear ratios are spot on although they should be fixed as per Cup rules.
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  18. Coanda

    Coanda aahhh whinge whinge f@#ken whinge.. Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    There is a description on the table for what the codes tagged to each vehicle mean. Does this help you..?

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    Bull Shark Later has long since begun. AMS2 Club Member

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    Ahh sorry missed that table completely. Thanks for the effort.
     
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  20. rsr427

    rsr427 Member AMS2 Club Member

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    This list is beautiful. I'm going to revisit the "career spreadsheet" I posted at Race Department and this is huge.

    My question: is there a track list that is as useful as this? Really for detail the most useful thing is number of pit stalls and grid spaces.

    Thanks, Ryan
     
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