Official General AI Comments & Discussion Topic

Silverstone GP, multiclass (F-V10 G1 & G2), practice, AI at 95, aggression at 50, dry weather.
This is something I've seen way too many times, I'm clearly ahead, I have the race line, it looks pretty obvious to me that there is no space for an overtake, yet the AI divebombs and hits me with a pit maneuver. In this situation the AI should back off and try again in another corner, not go for a desperation move and hit me.

 

Salvador, Ginetta GT40 cup. AI 95% skill 50% aggro. Dry weather.

AI simply cannot be kept up with through the chicane in S1. They drive over kerbs without any interruption to their speed, whereas if I follow the exact same line I bin it. This chicane is a guaranteed way to lose 0.5-1 sec to the AI every lap.

 

Silverstone GP, F-V10 G1, 30-minute race, AI at 100, aggression at 50, dry weather.
If AI goes off the track it should not stay on full throttle and try to retake the racing line at any cost as shown in the video below, it should get off the throttle, slow down, and try to get back on the track in a safe manner.

 

The AI has Max or Lewis programming and expected you to give room before the track surface ran out

 

Car: F-Classic Gen 3
Track: Silverstone 1991
Conditions: Dry

I did a standing start from 9th. The 3 cars in front of me all drove off into the grass on the left. Not sure about behind (forgot to save the replay).

 

Looks to me like the issue was that the car on the outside didn't back out of it when it was clear he wasn't going to have room. The overall logic does still seem to be that the outside line is the preferred line and should be sought very aggressively.

 

Maybe it's me but from the AI's perspective, it looks like you turned into him. If I'm wrong about this, sorry, but this is how most AI incidents happen. Sometimes they will back off, sometimes no. Your move was rather quick as your line seemed to change just for a fraction of a second. I've learned to live with the AI and try to anticipate these moves during turns when they are behind me, and so far I've had great luck.

 

I'll have to respectfully disagree on that.
I'm well ahead of him, I braked as late as I could, I turned way before he could get anywhere near enough to go alongside for a pass and still got hit. AI was far behind before braking and was far behind when I was turning (clear proof of that is that he hit my rear wheel with his front wheel), he was off the track when he hit me.
All of that is clear proof that it was 100% AI's fault in this case. If AI is not fully alongside before I start turning they should back off and try again in another turn, if AI is offside the track they definitely should slow down and try to avoid contact. Unfortunately my experience with AI in AMS2 is that it's pretty much impossible to go side-by-side with them in a turn especially with open-wheelers, I have to give them lots of space (or sometimes even slow down and let them pass) because they always give me zero space regardless of the aggression setting I choose.

 

The earlier point about ai not being affected by line rears its head here too. If the ai did a divebomb or compromised exit by having such a sub-optimal corner entry like that, the undercut doesnt work because of A) the ai fast acceleration out of the corners and B) this issue about line.
Having to learn to drive like the ai isnt really an option when driving on the outside line results in a net disadvantage compared to the ai in reverse circumstances. Im not concinced that is a habit that should be encouraged.

I hope and am confident that the ai will continue to improve. There's already been stuff that I thought couldn't be addressed that has been. In the meantime we must accept these things as they are.

 

Version: V.1.3.2
Car: Porsche 911 GT3 Cup 4.0
Track: Velopark 2017
AI Strength: 100%
AI Aggression: 50%
Corner (if issue is corner specific): T5 & T6
Session Distance: 10 laps
Weather when the issue was observed: dry
Player Tyre: dry
Type of session when the issue was observed (practice / quali / race): race

AI too slow through turns 5 & 6 - the right hand corner, followed by the left that lead onto the back straight. Very easy to pull a 1 second gap on the AI coming through that section onto the back straight.

 

Supercart
All Tracks
AI is a mess on all tracks, not one AI is able to drive 1 lap without a crash, impossible to do a Race against AI, you will always win because all AIs are not finishing the race.

 

I recall the supercart from a Beta test race at a tricky track. So I thought it would be nice to drive the mad things again, this time at a simple and wide track with your post in mind.
certainly here they have problems so on a cart track little chance?
The other observation and question is what is all the smoke?.
Video will show excess smoke even when in straight line flat out. and only in replay such amount.

 

Iirc there was a similar issue in PCars1/2 with karts having excessive smoke in replays, not sure if the AMS2 bug is related to that.

 

Version: V.1.3.2
Car: Puma GT5
Track: Kyalami 70s
AI Strength: 110%
AI Aggression: 60%
Corner (if issue is corner specific): Leeukop Bend
Session Distance: 10 laps
Weather when the issue was observed: dry
Player Tyre: dry
Type of session when the issue was observed (practice / quali / race): race

AI misses apex and therefore accelerates out of this corner too late, so it's easy to have a big advantage (0.5-1 sec) on the main straight.

 

Version: V.1.3.2
Car: Fiat Uno
Track: Goiânia Long
AI Strength: 82%
AI Aggression: 75%
Session Distance: 30 min
Weather when the issue was observed: wet
Type of session when the issue was observed (practice / quali / race): race

In Quali and practice, I was pretty much on par with the AI, in the race however, I was able to produce a 10+ second gap to the second driver, and I was making plenty of mistakes. I spun once and had to work my way up the field. Here I noticed that the AI seems to severely slow down when driving through puddles. This was especially noticeable on the straights.

 

Version: V.1.3.2
Car: Porsche GTE
Track: Spa
AI Strength: 90%
AI Aggression: 20%
Session Distance: 30 min
Weather when the issue was observed: Drizzle/Drying
Type of session when the issue was observed (practice / quali / race): race

After spending lots of time (months) tweaking FFB and VR settings, I'm finally trying to get racing in AMS2. I tried to recreate 24 hours of Spa over a 30 min race session (using real weather), and almost all the AI cars entered the pits after the first lap (track was slightly wet, but drying). I didn't pit and easily won the race without pitting at all for the 30 mins. What am I missing here to make the AI pit smarter? Thanks!

 

Version: V.1.3.2
Car: F-Classic Gen 3
Track: Jerez
AI : 96/55 (custom AI file)
Session Distance: 30 laps
Weather when the issue was observed: dry
Type of session: Race

In turn 5 (before the back straightaway), the AI back off when they hit the corner apex when it's not at all necessary. I've noticed this in other cars as well.

 

Wanted to add--I know this is a thread for AI problems (and I've been trying to contribute my share), but overall IMO the AI are getting really, really good. I've been doing a lot of F-Classic Gen 3 races, but also a variety of tin-tips (all with customized AI) and have been enjoying them immensely.

The number of situations where the AI have a ton of extra speed in one sector and vice versa is way, way down (meaning you have to actually earn your positions now). As a long as I'm driving relatively intelligently, they aren't running into me. And some of the back and forth battles I've had have been epic. Love that they don't just give up once you go by and will try to protect their position.

Big kudos to Reiza!

 

Out of interest, what "Aggression" setting are you using?

 

Version: V.1.3.2
Car: P4 metalmora
Track: nordschlief
AI Strength: 105%
AI Aggression:100%
Corner (if issue is corner specific): everywhere
Session Distance: 10 laps
Weather when the issue was observed: dry
Player Tyre: dry
Type of session when the issue was observed (practice / quali / race): practice

With above the configuration the ai is terribly slow around the nords in braking zones.
I'm a amateur at best here, with the base tune, comparing my time of 7:04 to the LB record of 6:54 I'm 10 secs off.
AI was running 7:15-7:18