Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

You are 100% correct. I did not notice it before because the cars I was testing the issue did not show up. But then I took the Lotus 79 to historic Interlagos and the issue showed up. The suspension effect was multiplied and was shaking my rig a good amount just from my DD1.

I need to do some further testing to use the code and lower the suspension values a bit or use division.

And thank you very much for pointing that out.

 

I suspected it, and I think that on the contrary, using the divider you suffer the lack of sensitivity and stiffening of the suspension every time you brake and accelerate ... if confirmed, probably better to remove the suspension lines both in brake and in accel weight and use them without ... we will see!!!

 

I will test further as the divide / seems to bring things back to a normal level.

I will now test to see the difference with the two lines of code in or out.

Question though. I feel it wouldn't cancel out the suspension effect and only add to it if I use divide. I say that because it's already in Road features so it should just add to it, right?

I'm going to test further and see as I'm just thinking out loud right now.

 

@mdecker79
Example you set suspension = 0.6
The dinamic (Accel or Brake) is Always = > 1.0 then, if you divide, the suspension go down for example to 0.3 ... and then go to "Road" and after to Output

Edit: With moltiplication is the contrary start to 0.6 and go for exmple to 0.9 .....

Then if use divide, is ok for the Lotus (car not ok with moltiplication) but this is not ok for the other cars .... you can only mitigate but or start overpowered if divide, or start donwpowered if moltiplicate

 

Gotcha.

So the suspension_scale keeps changing as things move down the file and then divides before it even gets into the Road section.

I wasn't thinking of it in that way but now I am.

Thank you again for your very helpful knowledge.

 

After further testing and with the help of Stakanov I removed the two lines of code in the Dynamic section for brake and accel for suspension.

 

I'm curious maybe I'll find a little time to do a quick test before work. Thank you for your custom

 

I was able to quickly test their custom. I took the GT1 Mc laren and the lotus79 because they said there was a big problem with their dd1 and the vibrations. I have no problems with my custom, everything works wonderfully together with the lotus79. Unfortunately, your custom doesn't fit together very much anymore, I could hardly keep the Lotus79 on the track. Not because of the vibrations, but a lot of things don't add up. I also have a slightly different suspension, so maybe I don't need to change anything on my custom. But I didn't have time to test it anymore. Anyway thank you very much for your file and your testing. Greetings from Daniel

 

I was wondering whether there is a general consensus as to what are the most important forces that give you the information needed to feel what the rear end is doing? What is good FFB?

I know I might open a can of worms here To me personally the feel of understeer isn't as important as the information of oversteer e.g. Sure, it makes it more complete, just like the rumble you feel when driving over kerbs, but I can see when I understeer. Oversteer is different, I need to catch it before I face the wrong direction on the circuit.

It's been interesting to try a few of your files and I have some favourites already. I also wanted to thank you all for your efforts and time. Really appreciate it. I can imagine, it must be time consuming.

 

Hello riccx! The understeer can be simulated well with the values (RL_slide and (RR_slide. Just go down with these 2 values, for example to 15. But that is not my goal because then it slides too much and I have very little control. I have something there other things in mind with the slide_values. But I need to have time and test for that. Regards

 

Stakanov what do you think if we implement slide_threshold ?

 

Thanks, but as I said, the feel of understeer isn't that important to me as I can see when I understeer and in most cases I also know why. To me the most important thing is the information about what the rear end is doing.

 

I don't know the idea could be nice but the sliding should be dictated by the union of all the variables, weight, grip, physics and contact surface or pneumatic model ... predetermining it in the timing seems like a gamble, slide is not always with the same threshold ... but we can definitely test ... why give up?? Trying is better than not doing it!!!

 

Yes, it may not work or it may not be good. But it's worth trying to determine the timing of the slide, we have nothing to lose

 

@Danielkart I just tested your latest custom file and I have to say I really like it. Great feel on acceleration and break, giving you a good feel for the car. Last test session was with the Ultima Race around Kyalami and I couldn't stop enjoying...I mean testing it.
I think you are on a good way with the latest changes. Thanks again for sharing!

Here my settings for CSL DD (8nm) with your file:
SEN: AUTO
FFB: 100
FFS: PEAK
NDP: 15 - 20
NFR: 0 - 10
NIN: 0 - 10
INT: 0
FEI: 20 or 30
FOR: 100
SPR: 100
DPR: 100

Ingame:
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GAIN: 75
LFB: 0
FX: 30
DMP: 0

 

Good evening! I'm glad they like it. I think your fanatec settings for your base are very good and make sense to me. When I compare their power to mine, our settings are perfectly matched. Many greetings

 

I will write your csl dd 8Nm settings to the custom file in my next version. I hope it's okay for you too. regards

 

Sure, feel free to use them as a base for CSL DD 8nm users.

 

Good Morning! I tested your suggestion to integrate the suspension into the dynamic adjustment of the braking and acceleration feeling, unfortunately without success. Yes you are right there are physical laws that are given in reality. But for me it's still a simulation and if I feel something getting better or worse then I don't care about the physics, even if it's not logical. Integrating first tests with slide_threshold looks very good, I might post it later today. Greetings and have a nice day

 

@Stakanov, thank you so much for creating, finessing, and sharing these. The increased feel through the wheel makes such a difference.

I've just installed the 2.1 with YAW and shaved nearly 6 seconds off of my Nordschleife GT3 Time Trial record in my first session, placing 16th.

Thrustmaster T300 FFB settings G-70, LFB-10, FX-35, D-20.