is the mp4-4 op?

Hi guys, has anyone tested the Formula Classic Gen 2 thoroughly post the McLaren mp4-4 against the rest of the class? I know irl the car was obscenely over-powered and demolished the competition. But how is it against the rest of the class?

Is it OP as well? Or is the class more evenly balanced?

 

Just as a service for you I took this car for a ride on the Sudschleife in TT mode.
Be aware I come from F-Reiza which has a lot more grip and feels lighter.
But eventhough your McLaren feels a lot more sloppy (more heavy and with a delayed reaction) then my assessment is that the car feels reasonable believable.

ByTheWay: Hehe as soon as I saw that the top on the LB was using default setup I did know it would be reasonable easy to get on top.

 

Hehe there is allways someone who is teased by such remarks.
But its more fun to be challenged than just being on top of a LB without much competition.
Thanks guys - working on it

 

In other words, will Reiza's MP4/4 win 15 out of 16 races--or 100% of its races when at least one car is still running by the end of the race? Doubtful....

 

sorry, i think there's sarcasm in there. I'm asking honestly. Is it OP or not?

 

In my experience, the MP4/4 does not display an overwhelming advantage relative to its generic competitors.

 

I dont agree.
Check this out.
This is the fastest I can go with this McLaren against the strongest of the other in the class.
I have practiced a lot in both and Im using my best custom setups.
As close as you can get to an objective assessment - I guess.

ByTheWay: Instead of just discussing feelings about the car why dont you guys just take the 2 cars out on the track to experience how much faster the McLaren actually is?
Oh forgot this is Südschleife.

 

Just as a thank you for the Winner thing I took the 2 last cars in the class out.
And as can be seen the Gen2Mod2 Is even closer to the McLaren than the others.
I would even say I could get a tiny bit closer if I closed the radiator more on the G2-2.
But the McLaren would probably still be fastest.

 

The numbers don't lie, and your laptimes in the various F-Classic Gen2 definitely trump any inferences made from racing against the AI. Thanks for taking the time to share a valid comparison between the cars.

 

Which in my opinion then corresponds to reality, after all the MP 4/4 destroyed the competition in 1988. Nevertheless, it would be good if there were a setting in the XML that determined the speed or strength of the individual vehicles in the class (and not that of the drivers).

 

Simracer: "I demand the most realistic racing simulation ever!"

Renato: "Be careful what you wish for...."

 

This is why I think specific car bans in multiplayer would be useful or at least some form of user selected handicap.

In leagues there's always the possibility of a gentleman's agreement to not take an OP car.

 

I've often thought a BoP toggle option for each class would be beneficial. Sure, you can race with BoP off but then you know who's gonna win. Turn it on, and it'll mix up the grid. It'll be the driver that makes the difference,

 

Also for some leagues who want to use a form of success ballast, it would make it closer than forcing the fast guys to use a car 2-3 seconds off of the pace.

I know I'm making a case for a feature that would rarely get used, but it's there with manual grid order that would streamline the process for some leagues.

 

By a funny coincident the difference between the 4 cars in this AMS2 class correlate more or less with the 4 cars in the GTP mod for NR2003.
From front Sauber, Jaguar, Toyota and Mazda (pic).
And from my years in the US based FSB league I can remember that when people became too fast in the Sauber or Jaguar they were forced to drive the more difficult handling Toyota.
The slowest Mazda was used by rookies because it was by far the easiest car to drive.
Maybe such a forced priority could be used in AMS2 leagues so a more artificial BoP was unnessesary.

 

BoP doesnt exist in ams2 for historic classes for authenticity reasons, but it does exist for modern classes like GT3 and GTE

 

well, it should. It should be a toggle.

 

Just forget the bragging here - but was the RL McLaren MP4/6 also faster than the competition at that time?
Because it doesnt feel and look like this in AMS2.

 

Do you ever post about anything that doesn't involve bragging about your TT times?

 

Also they're usually 2-3 seconds off the pace.