TC on GT3 cars seems very intrusive on any setting?

Am I doing something wrong - any TC setting on a GT3 car seems way too active - only setting TC to zero allows the car to be pushed hard? Even on 1 or 2 the TC is very very active in most corners?

Is AMS2 just 'like that'? ACC seems to have a much more sliding scale of TC intervention for instance.

Cheers!

 

IMO it is a bit like that.

 

Ahh - OK - thank you!

That's a shame - but at least I know it's not a setting or assistance system I have set incorrectly.

Cheers!

 

Just like in ACC (or any game for that matter), play around with the setup, diff, camber, toe, aero, suspensions,... You can get the car more planted and have less TC intervention. Most default setups have a very happy tail in here, which coming from ACC is very destabilizing. I recommend using the 720S or the LMP2s to work on that, they are very easy to drive, to setup and respond very well to changes. And also remember any car falling under IMSA regulation start with cold tyres, so your TC is going to enjoy the very first few corners to laps.

 

Thanks for the suggestions - all good points!

I'm definitely warming the tyres up for a few laps first so I don't think it's that - but I've not experimented much with the setups - so that's going to be worth doing for sure.

I quite like the balance of a few of the GT3s with TC off too though! ☺️.

 

Well as long as you have the assists on authentic in gameplay settings…

 

Because the tire grip is too low in AMS2, TC will always work

 

Do you have any evidence of this?

 

Just to follow up - I am struggling a little still!

I have adjusted set-ups and the tyres are warmed - but still on anything other than TC off the TC active light flashes on every corner and almost every throttle use in any curve. Even on TC level 1. The settings are set to authentic.

Surely that's not the intended behaviour?

Don't get me wrong - I'm enjoying 30 minute races with the AI - but I just have to run with TC set to zero and it feels like with a TC scale of 1 to 10 there is something wrong about that?

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Have you tried increasing rear toe? I’ve tried it and it helps making the rear be less slippery, but it makes the car less willing to turn

 

Does it actually reduce TC activity though? I'm quite experienced in driving on track IRL and (for instance) rfactor2 has adjustable TC and you can dial down the intrusion nicely - so far in AMS2 a setting if 1 hardly feels any different to a setting of 10 - and with TC off the car is easy to slide or turn into curves so using lots of increased rear toe just feels like restricting the cars balance and wearing the tyres faster?

 

I don’t know, but I expect the TC to activate less since you will have less slip in the rear. I really wish we get to adjust TC even more

 

are you sure you have TC set to Authentic in gameplay settings ?
Because there’s a clear and obvious difference between TC 1-10 .
I get very little activation at lower levels, only the amount I need to avoid sudden snaps .

smooth throttle applications are still needed at levels below 2 , which also helps reduce the TC interference.

 

I will double-check and let you know as it's really not what I'm experiencing and does feel wrong - like I'm screwing up a setting somewhere.

I am being smooth with the throttle.

Can I ask if you run haptics of any sort? I ask because I have haptics running on the pedals which signal TC intervention - which coincides exactly with the flashing blue leds on the in-game dash. If I turn haptics off then yes it's not as obvious as it is only the leds flashing that indicate TC activity - but even when on TC 1 they flash very, very easily and early?

 

What do you have throttle sensitivity set to in control configuration ?
i don’t have haptics on throttle. but do have a light on wheel but it can be buggy at times as only partially supported with my wheel base.
Usually it’s fine but occasionally it can become a bit stuck on .
If you are running simagic haptics as well , maybe turn the sensitivity right down , i found i had to do that with abs or it was to sensitive.
The Hud TC or others are quite reactive as there’s not a progression of the light.
it’s either being used or it’s not . it doesn’t necessarily give an indication of how much the tc is effective.

 

I was experimenting tonight and I think your last sentence is the thing that I'm seeing and feeling. You are right - the TC is 'active' and lights flash and my pedals react - even on TC setting 1. However the vehicle IS allowed to yaw much more than with TC set higher.

I guess though this doesn't feel right to me coming from real cars on track - where if you dial back TC you get no feedback UNTIL the system kicks in - if you reduce TC settings that happens later and at bigger yaw angles. So you don't get constant feedback of TC at any throttle opening in a curve - only when it actually is working.

In AMS2 the TC becomes 'active' it seems at the same point of yaw regardless of setting - the setting governs how much additional yaw is then allowed by the now active TC.

That's not great for haptic feedback unfortunately and not how rF2 or ACC do it for comparison - they both have the simulation where the lower the TC setting the later it intervenes - so you can use the haptic feedback (or the lights) as another way of feeling (or seeing) what the car and systems are doing and know when TC kicks in.

I think I need to turn off TC active in Simhub for AMS2 and tune the wheel slip haptics instead so that they kick in at a certain amount of lateral slip.

(Btw I have pedals set to 50 percent sensitivity and I am using Simagic pedal haptics as well as an HF8 seat pad - both through Simhub)

Hope that makes sense!

 

Every Sim does it a little differently, I couldn’t comment on RF2 , but Acc obviously has a more intricate implementation with two ranges of adjustment, which isn’t currently part of the system here .

I’ve just come straight from R3E and driving the same Bmw M4 GT3 as I’m currently using alot in Ams2 and it’s kinda crazy that on TC 1 ( fixed setup ) you can just drive on full throttle out of every corner . My TC light flashes much like in Ams2 , but there’s zero perception of any wheel slip .
So at least here we have to treat the throttle with some respect as we lower TC .
So ultimately.. it is what it is each sim and we just need to adapt and that includes haptics too I guess.
There’s room for improvement in Ams2 TC for sure and who knows what next phase of development may bring .

 

a lot of room...