Time for DLSS! New Nvidia 5080/90 is there

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  1. GFoyle

    GFoyle Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Yeah, doesn't seem to make much sense to to buy each generation unless you have too much money / need to have the best all the time. I have 3080 so I probably end up getting a 50xx at some point.

    Though I have been pretty fine with my computer with AMS2 this far.
     
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  2. 2ndLastJedi

    2ndLastJedi Free speech matters AMS2 Club Member

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    I think DLSS would be great in AMS2 just to help with the aliasing but as stated by others, the Madness engine doesn't use TAA (a requirement for DLSS). I think our main hope is going to be AC Evo, well as long as it gives us what Reiza don't seem to want too, Group 5 :whistle:
     
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  3. Bull Shark

    Bull Shark "Later has already begun." AMS2 Club Member

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    Yeah same here. My 4080 super will do for a while. Perhaps it is the last GPU I bought. I don’t know if I’m willing to spend that amount of money again when my current PC is EOL.
     
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    F1Aussie Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I recently updated cpu to 9800X3D and from 32 to 48gb ram. I have recently been getting the XX90 series gpus and currently have a 4090 which cost me about 3900 aud when it released. I cannot justify about 4500 aud to upgrade and I can't see how many people can. It is an absurd amount of money for one component in a system. If AMD don't jump into the high end GPU market then nvidia will just keep jacking prices each generation at the top end where it will only be the rich who can afford them. It is seemingly like that now.
     
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  5. 2ndLastJedi

    2ndLastJedi Free speech matters AMS2 Club Member

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    Crap man, i paid $2769 AUD and felt like a winning fool, if you need more power im sure you (and i) can hold off for a year or 2 for the 5090 to drop in price like the 4090 ha....checks PC Case gear....crap 4090 is $3999 now, haha in frustration.

    But in all seriousness, these new cards, well the 5090 looks to be only 25-35% faster in normal raster, hardly worth it and the 5070 isn't 4090 performance, that's Jensen marketing spin. We get DLSS4 and we get the new transformer models so we are going to have some new goodies anyway. Maybe not for AMS2 but other games will benefit.

    Today i went back and tried CP2077 for the first time in ages and was getting 120+ FPS at 3440x1440 all maxed out in path tracing with DL.SS 3.5 FG and it looked and felt great. No need for more really and for sim racing its solid 90fps in everything i play and looks beautiful. (3700x36xx pretty much maxed). AMS2, AC rF2 and LMU.

    Edit, corrected price
     
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  6. Robert Gerke

    Robert Gerke Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    So, I waited a bit to reply.

    Well, I see some things a bit differently. We all know that AMS2 performs well, but that doesn't mean you don't need enough reserves. For example, I drive in VR with the Quest 3 and a 4080, and I still reach my limits here. Rain, 24 drivers in MP mode with LFM, and then the smoke can really push the system to its limits.

    That's why I think DLSS is so important for the future. Just wait for the new VR headsets to come with 3,500 x 3,500 pixels. Even the 5090 will really struggle when 120 FPS is required. Let alone if Reiza keeps their promise and enhances their tracks and weather effects with things like 3D trees. What I want to say is, I see only advantages in the timely support of FSR/DLSS features.
     
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  7. AllocDK

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    But so far DLSS does not work in VR
     
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  8. Roar McRipHelmet

    Roar McRipHelmet Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    And neither does the framedoubling-thing, so AMS2 users who only race in VR are only interested in raw compute power, which I read some sources claim was 20-30% faster than the 40x0 series (feel free to correct me here)
     
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  9. AllocDK

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    I saw a post stating that 5090 was about 16% faster than the 4090 in raw power
     
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    Yeah, I just checked last week and the 4090 was more expensive than at launch so I doubt the price of the 5090 will drop over time. Gonna sit this cycle out to get my value out of the 4090. Doesn't seem like such a big upgrade without all the new DLSS stuff and like you said, we will still get some of the bells and whistles.
     
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  11. DaWorstPlaya

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    I believe DLSS 2.1 and higher supports VR. It works in ACC VR.

    Based on the Nvidia FarCry 6 comparison graph, some speculators are saying a 27% improvement in raster with ray tracing. We won't know till individual 3rd party reviews come in but I'm guessing it might be in the 30% range.
     
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    Yes but looks terrible imo.
     
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    It's alot easier to implement something , when you are creating a brand new engine, likely to support such things.

    It's not a plug and play solution to all games, that is simple to just 'add' to ams2.

    Plus, ams2 is already very well optimised and runs very well on most systems.
     
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  15. Ernesto_171

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    I got a 4070S.

    These new GPUs are made thinking in high resolutions and a lot of use of DLSS and AI frames generation. I can use A LOT of supersampling in Quest 2 at higher resolution, and effects like shadows and reflections ULTRA, but ramp up geometry rendering, like cars and track details to higher levels have a massive loss in performance.
     
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    2ndLastJedi Free speech matters AMS2 Club Member

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    But is it DLSS 4 transformer model?
    Edit, snap, all i had to do was read the article, but still unsure if its transformer model?

    "Ahead of DLSS 4’s release, there are another 5 DLSS games available to play this week: Assetto Corsa EVO"
     
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    Won't DLSS 4 and 3 make the games worse since AFAIK they add in AI made frames which add input lag?
     
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  18. Ernesto_171

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    AI frames generated or any frames generated causes some latency and input lag. If AI is fast, and it is faster than full rendering, it's the way to go.
     
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    Tested now Assetto Corsa EVO in VR. Is horrible.
     
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  20. Ernesto_171

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    And to add to the topic, EVO just have FSR in VR settings and it's broken, artifacts ALL over the place.
     
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