Physics discussion thread

It depends on "who" is making the default set ups, and their definition of better.
I think it would be safe to say that the default set ups for GT3 G2 are not "balanced" in the general sense. But with some small set up tweaks and adjusted driving techniques, the driving can feel more balanced.
Some might say less exciting, some might say more controlled. Depends on who you talk to.
But for those who just want to hop in with the default and go (without tweaking), they might be in for a wild surprise.

 

We'll better is a bit subjective and in what way? A lot of it is track dependent too.

I do think the setups could be much more safe, even if those would be slower than current ones, meaning a bit less emphaisis on rotation (so more understeer and less risk of oversteer on both corner entry and exit) to provide more stable starting point that wouldn't be as frustrating for new players who especially can struggle with the corner entry oversteer and drivers coming from something like ACC and LMU where you tend to brake late and use trail braking for rotation. I'm sure it would make the cars seem a lot less slidey as well to many.

That new GT4 Alpine that many seem to enjoy a lot... that has different default setup from a lot of other cars and I think that actually plays a huge part why people tend to enjoy it (the GT4 Aston is quite opposite with it's default setup, but that too can be adjusted to be more in the Alpine style).

 

One thing is for sure, the current defaults are very different that the defaults you find in sims like ACC and LMU (where the defaults can be much more understeery to a point it's frustrating)

 

The GT3 G2 defaults could probably be described as Expert Aggressive, so at least users should know what their getting into to.
Maybe there should also be a Balanced Safe set up offered, but would require more work for no sales return, so probably not going to happen.
All I do for a safer set up is drop some clutches, raise some EB, and enter corners with less trail braking. And of course a custom FFB file that lets you really feel the grip loss/recovery better.

 

I mean this is the setup that everyone first try. And they expect to be perfectly balance without big risk.

 

Without any description of what the GT3 G2 default set up "type" is, you are left to discover it on your own.
Expecting it to be perfectly balanced and safe seems logical, but in fact it's not.
Like if you order a steak in a diner, and don't specify how you want it cooked, who knows what you'll get on any given day with any given cook.

 

Gt3 gen2 is the class I am the more confortable. Gt4 or GT1 are more sensible with oversterr in corner entry. Gt3 gen2 could loose the rear if I don’t pay attention.

 

Just a quick reminder as I don't know if it has been addressed in any way, but a lot of the default setups (in a lot of the GT3 both gens) have very high engine braking, if you're having issues with snap oversteer under braking or throttle lift-off, I would suggest reducing this. I tested this and proved that the Nissan (at the time) had no difference on the engine braking setting, compared to the Porsche gen1 GT3 which went from 2 seconds slower than the Nissan for me, to being on par once I reduced the engine braking. Tweaking the engine braking for me transformed all the "undriveable" cars to being perfectly reasonable to handle. This is obvious a separate issue to the slip angle debate, but definitely a factor for those who are struggling in testing to maybe experiment with.

 

I'm sorry, what does EB stand for? Engine Braking?

 

Hi, what the you mean by Engine breaking ? Thanks[/QUOTE

 

it's a setting in the Drivetrain/Engine section (or whatever it's called) of the setup screen. It regulates the extent to which the engine slows itself down when off throttle. Be warned, the number essentially manages something like the amount of oil(?), so larger numbers mean less engine braking.

 

Can you put a screenshot please with the setting. thanks

 

Come on dude i mean, maybe look in the screen?