Worst cars (in terms of handling: not physics) in AMS2. Devs should look at them

Is there a particular reason why you don't use 900 DOR in-game?

 

I just set my Fanatec to Auto and the game sets my DOR per car

Im not sure why anyone would want to drive a kart with 500 DOR !

 

I know maybe my mistake. I like playing all my racing games with 560 - 570 dor which is more handy for me

Maybe i should have set 900 degrees as a global profile for all games and then create - if wanted - a per game profile. Problem no1 is that if i do it now i will have to re assign all of my games from beginning - something which is cumbersome. Problem no2 my logitech profiler wont accept a 900 dor specific profile for AMS2

I do not know if this the root of my problem. But the trueth is that only with these 3 cars do i face this steering "problem". Not other ones.

 

I would suggest setting your wheel to it's maximum of 900 or if possible auto and allowing the game to decide the correct DOR per car would be the best way.
Adjusting sensitivity to compensate for a manually set DOR is not the way to go and doesn't surprise me that some cars feel off, if not all of them.

If there's still an issue with DOR then raise a bug report as this thread title is a little misleading tbh.

@Coanda have you tried setting the SEN on your wheel to auto and ensure your Fanatec device profile is set to 900?

 

What do you mean by that? How could i do this? You mean in logitech profile the option “allow game to adjust settings”?

 

Yep

 

Overall very good FFB that hopefully will develop to a true next level 8)

But:

* The P4 (MCR S2000) on Guapore feels like it's jumping on a bunch of rocks. The worst combination in the game. Compared to the same MCR S2000 on the same Reiza made Guapore track in rfactor2 feels way better in this specific regard. No rock-jumping.

* V8: It seems like it's currently not so well adjusted or maybe other sims just have similar cars ompletely wrong. But it weighs 1.500 kg, it stops in a flash & steers on a dime. The front tyres seem to have almost endless grip cornering, when I would expect it to understeer & also close to endless grip while accelerating like superman. It's FUN, but seems like one of the least realistic cars in the game?

 

Another possible issue (maybe remote) could be that the Logitech Profiler (config-file) is corrupted. I don't know if it still happens but, I know it used to be an issue years ago when I had inconsistent results in FFB using a G25.

The solution was to delete the config-file and copy/paste the original back in or re-install.

It had something to do with enabling "Allow games to change profiler settings" and I was advised NOT to enable that feature. That solution worked for me at the time.

 

I like to set my wheel to have a 360 rotation and then just adjust the steering lock to suit. Haven't had any issues getting it to all align in game. I use a fanatec formula rim and find it very difficult to turn it more than 360 easily and quickly.

 

Yes, it is a well-documented mistake. AMS will auto-rotate the steering ratio to make it appropriate for all vehicles. You can further adjust in the set-up if it is a bit too sharp or too dull.

You will have a likely impossible task to calibrate Gain vs. LFB on a Logi G unless you allow the full 900 degree range to be scaled properly by AMS (1 or 2). Turnng off LFB just masked the problem and took away a bunch of other useful feedback to resolve the original problem.

Set everything to default in control panels and use 900 degrees and then start over with AMS using similar settings to the many other G users on here. What other games do you have that would not allow you to adjust the steering in the game (down from the control panel 900 degrees)? AMS is wonderful in that it has auto-rotation for each vehicle, but every game can be set to at least one default value (the one you prefer). Other titles will also have sub-standard FFB if you are compressing the range before it gets to the game.

 

Out of curiosity i set my logitech's profiler DOR to 900. I then started the game, calibrated the "new" wheel, set the wheel sensitivity to default value (50) and started a race with the v8's. I get exactly the same results. Car is undriveable (i get the "pendulum effect" with a very very sharp turning wheel radius) even with the 900 degrees setting. Smth weird is going on here...

The most weird part is that if i enable the setting "allow game to adjust settings" (in logitech's control panel) the wheel locks at ~220 dor !!

I will report it as a bug so as the devs should look at it

 

If each car sets the proper steering lock, then you are half way there.

The pendulum effect is an imbalance between LFB and Gain. However, the SuperV8 is currently the car with the WORST pendulum effect, so it is the WORST car to use to try to set your settings. You should be able to get proper balance in most vehicles and be left with the SuperV8 that feels over the top. Then you are all set and wait for Reiza to tweak the SuperV8.

 

I ve set the LFB to 0. So all cars (except those 3) are well driven for me. Super v8 has the worst pandulum effect , i agree, then the sc brazil and then the arc camaro (which has none i assume)

The 2 latter need a much lower steer lock setting (in edit tune menu) than the default 14 imo (which is not available).

 

Keep in mind that "FFB pendulum" effect is a real life 'thing'. The front wheels will "self right" themselves based on the car's behavior. How strong that effect is and how quickly the car tries to do it is based on the suspension geometry and caster settings (some cars it will be more noticeable than others).

Watch the steering wheel in the following video for a good demonstration of the effect:

If you can imagine that force if you are stopping the wheel from rotating like that, which is that "FFB pendulum" effect.

 

For me the v8’s physics feels like there is a balloon between the tyres and my wheel. This effect is only felt in this car (and less in sc brazil). Just hope for a fix soon

But apart from that, all 3 cars feel too twitchy..

 

Yes it is real and yes, a relatively tall, tippy and heavy car like the SuperV8 should not feel like an F3 car However, there is still a tad too much "pendulum" in the SuperV8 and Sprintcar. Their steering weight is also on the high side compared to others, so the combination of those two makes them outliers. It is a relatively modest adjustment that is needed. ARC Camaro is much less of an issue, but could probably benefit from a lesser adjustment. If there are extreme issues, I suggest your settings are not optimized (or that wheel needs some work Reiza to get it to work properly).

Note: this is on my wheel which acts differently from some others. Some people will say the SuperV8 is the only car that feels good. I am simply positing that because 95% of the cars feel good (as in like AMS) on my settings and wheel, it is the couple remaining that do not that are the problem.

 

I still say you should try using the proper default settings for wheel and AMS. And only tweak slightly from there. You are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole and that will only cause more issues down the road when the next update or change occurs. But it's your rig--you can do whatever you please! LFB=0 will still feel OK, it just isn't giving you a bunch of "flavour" that most people find helpful and pleasant.

 

Check the 3rd of my post in this page. I ve already created a 900 degree profile with same results. I m pretty sure it s something on those cars rather in handling or in physics/set up

And of course, i can not drive all karts (again: too twitchy)