Force Feedback - how to get a "stiffer" wheel?

I have been able to get the FFB on the stock car Chevy set to the way I like it.

My problem is when I switch to Formula V, I have almost no FFB and I can't feel the tires at all. I have tried tweaking the Real Feel Formula V parameters and, as an experiment, I set the following:
MaxForceAtSteeringRack=500000.000000
I also set Kf=80000.000000 which give me a good firm feel upon exiting the pits but, of course, that goes away as speed increases.

These setting gave me the feel I want going down the straight but, unfortunately, the wheel is pulling strongly to the left and, if I let go, the steering wheel will spin that way to the extent of the setting of the range (I've tried 270, 450, 900).

What I'd like is a firm wheel, one that enables me to feel the tires on the straight and has resistance at the turn in points of the corners and throughout the corners.

As I said above, I have it working fine for the stock car but the lighter Formula V has little on no feel.

Thanks in advance for any help.

John

 

You need to lower the MaxForceAtSteeringRack. The closer it is to zero, the stiffer the steering will feel. I lowered the Formula Vee from its default of 700 down to 450 and it's much firmer

 

That did the trick - thanks for the help.

 

What you really need to do is learn to adjust the Realfeel settings as you drive for each individual car. To do this just hit numlock and then use R/CTRL & 7 = FFB Stiffer R/CTRL & 9 = FFB Weaker. This way you can really tune your wheel properly for each car. This is all in the realfeel "how to " Guide anyway.

 

Want a stiffer wheel? Give it some Viagra.

 

It's possible to have this slip effect ?
The higher the rotation speed of your tires, the higher the frequency of the vibrations is.
The more grip your tires loose, the higher the amplitude of the vibration will be
Now i can't feel the tyres to, but i don't want to have "stiffer" steering wheel, because ffb for me is excelent except slip effect

 

where is the "realfeel" how-to guide?

 

Real Feel FFB Plugin 0.92 by TechAde | rFactor Addons | rFactor Central

 

Too bad the RealFeel.ini settings all get reset to default every time there is an update. I have given up on tweaking mine until that stops (at official release?).

 

You could always make a backup of your edited realfeel.ini and copy it back after an update.

 

But unless I do a line-by-line comparison, I wouldn't know what was added or updated. Let's assume they are forcing an overwrite for a reason such as adding new cars or adjusting settings based on beta feedback, etc. I would lose anything like that.

 

To be honest I assumed you'd have tweaked all the cars you weren't satisfied with to your liking and left standard values for the ones you liked or hadn't touched, so tweaks on Reiza's side wouldn't really be of concern to you. I thought that because that's what I did. If they add a new car, you can copy the values for that into your tweaked configuration.

But, that said, you still have a valid point if you're keen on trying new values for cars set by Reiza. I guess there would be a note of that in the changelog.

 

It doesn't matter how many cars I adjusted, any adjustments get reset. You do not know what else has been added or changed because there is no change log. Am I missing something? The message is clear that it is premature to fiddle with these settings. Reiza may choose to always overwrite, but at least after official release hopefully things are more static.

 

Is there a way to get a stiffer wheel at the center only? I'm happy with the FFB everywhere but the center.

 

Martin, what sort of wheel do you use? There is a minimum force option that will help if you use a wheel like a G27 etc. Otherwise just stump up the money and buy a Direct Drive wheel like the Leo Bodnar Simsteering2. Expensive sure but that will fix your problem hehe.

 

Yes it's a G27, where do I find the min force option?

 

Hmmm sorry I think I got confused with RF2 which has a min force option slider in the controller menu. Not sure if Reiza are looking at introducing that for AMS but would be a big help if they did as so many use a G27. There may be somewhere in the PLR file where you can add that effect. My old G27 and the one before it both needed min force of at least %15

 

Heres a recent post that may help...................


From the Steam discussions

I have noticed some people complaining of a massive hole in the FFB with G27 wheel.
The way I fixed it is to download a small app called wheelcheck.exe and check your wheel's "Min Force" setting, mine is 14.5% by the way.
Then edit your controller.ini and change the FFB steer force neutral function from "0.00000" to "0.14500" (in my case) which is 14.5% as a decimal. If your wheel Min Force is 8.5% then change it to "0.08500" for example. Then save the file and the hole in your FFB should have gone. I actually set mine at 0.13500 to give a small amount of leeway to prevent overcompensating.

You can also improve the feel of FFB further by removing the default FFB deadzone which is meant to prevent wheel oscillation. Edit this line in controller.ini FFB steer force neutral range="0.04500" and change it to "0.00000". You might have to increase this slightly if you get wheel oscillation but mine works fine set at zero.

If anybody wants more detail about this let me know. This works for me but obviously there are differences in PCs and wheels which means it might not work for you, but give it a try and let me know if it improves FFB for you.

Cheers
GLYGOO


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Remember to make these changes in any saved controller files too as the values get overwritten in your main controller.ini when you load from file. You might have to play with the values a little bit to get it perfect since the value from wheelcheck.exe is not exact. When I used the first value it gave me, I had some pendulum effect, especially in the pit when changing tires. I increased my minimum force value just a little bit and the pendulum went away.

 

its possible to change the Realfeel shortcuts for heavier/lighter ffb?
where is the realfeel shortcuts configuration file located?
thanks

 

Yes you can adjust on a car-by-car basis if the weighting is not to your liking. You can also adjust the RealFeel DefaultFrontGripEffect=0.200000, which if you play around and try 1.0, 0.8, 0.2 (the default) and 0.0, you might be quite surprised.

DefaultMaxForceAtSteeringRack=-2500.000000 is the weighting variable. Remember that lower numbers make for stronger FFB.

The .ini file is, somewhat surprisingly, right in the main AMS folder, not down below somewhere where I presumed it would be!

But be aware that every time there is an update, Reiza wipes this file and sets it all back to default. Not sure if that will continue after we reach v.1.0?