Option: To Reverse Race Tracks

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  1. Maser V6

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    Another way to expand the game without additional license issues?
    If tracks had the option to race in reverse this could add more to the game having to learn the new layout.
    Not to much work involved in remarking grid spots/ brake markers/etc.
    Any thoughts?
     
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  2. MarcG

    MarcG Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    AI Lines for all cars, cut detection, Pit Entries & Exits...

    Nice idea but I'd prefer work went into New Tracks over Reversible Ones, the only exception being if a Real Life track did indeed have a Reversible layout then I'd be cool with that.
     
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    That is more something for a game like Dirt.
     
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    Thanks for your thoughts
     
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    It has been spoken about in real f1 Silverstone !
    “But when we think about Silverstone, in a way – I don't know if there will be some things that need to change – but everything kind of goes together a bit more, and it has the runoff and the space kind of available to be able to do it.

    “So, yeah, I think then it's possible and for some other tracks they'll be impossible. Some are designed to go one specific way, and therefore you can't do all tracks in reverse.”

    You can read the full interview with Lando Norris in Autosport magazine from Thursday April 9 – available in shops and online.
    Long term development for this game. maybe 1 day some tracks?
     
  6. Gevatter

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    Not even counting in the additional work for the devs as @MarcG mentioned, I'm against this idea on the grounds that as a sim, AMS2 should try to replicate the real world as closely as possible, and reverse layouts for tracks don't factor into this at all if the real life track doesn't offer that.
     
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    John Hargreaves Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    It works very well in Gran Turismo, I think it's a decent idea, but I can see some people not liking it. I think if it fits within the bounds of simulation, i.e. is it possible in the real world, then why not consider it.
     
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    It's like in a flight sim like AFS2, I can land a helicopter on the top of the Empire State Building. Now that is perfectly realistic in the sense that it could be done in real life, but unrealistic in the sense that it is highly unlikely there would ever be a situation where you could do that. Thing is it's still a lot of fun and works within the whole notion of a physics simulation.
    It's also no more unlikely than the chances of me driving a 1990s F1 car around Monaco.
     
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    FWIW, in real life, tracks have to be designed to run in both directions. What that entails is ensuring that when/if a car hits a crash barrier, the barrier is design to take the impact and minimize the deceleration on the driver in the car.

    Here's what can happen if you run a track in a direction it wasn't designed for:

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    While I get it we are talking about virtual tracks here, typically sim makers are only licensed to run the tracks in the directions they are designed for (i.e. so only tracks designed to run both directions would be offered that ability).
     
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    Just watch a u tube vid put up by there are several
    Charles Leclerc, brother Arther Leclerc , with George Russel, Luca Albon, and Lando Norris.
    They ran several races in reverse and seemed to have a ball and real challenge (despite long intros by Charles)
     
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    Thanks for the fb. video link not available in my region
     
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    Here's the gist of the story:

    Basically, they ran a track backwards that was never designed to do that.. When a driver lost control, it hit a barrier than impaled the passenger (an instructor). The barrier wasn't designed to take a crash from the direction they were running track. Typically with license agreements, you can only use the content in the way it's designed to be utilized.
     
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    That all makes sense, and fits in with the idea of a physics simulation, so combined with licence issues, I can see there is a strong argument for keeping to the original layout. I guess things like kerbs have that asymmetric sawtooth profile also, which could be tricky when run in the opposite direction.
    Games like AMS2 are clearly both entertainment and education; we should call it simedutainmentcade(TM)
     
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    Tried Kansai east in reverse it was good fun. Would love the option.
     
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  19. Ernie

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    Funny idea, but as others already mentioned ... it would only work with tracks which are designed to run in both directions. Guardrails, exits, kerb profiles have to work in both directions.
    My guess ... most of the existing real tracks can't be run in reverse.

    PS: I had only read somewhere that there where little races held on parts of the Nordschleife which will run anti-clockwise.
     
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    The rumble strips on many corners of modern tracks are also directional allowing a tyre to run over it and safely create a vibration in one direction but likely to damage the tyre when run over in the opposite direction. It depends who designed the circuit and which philosophy is flavour of the month. I think in reorganising the 2020 Formula 1 season it was put forward that Silverstone could run a reverse direction race but whether they would have needed to change the curbs and barriers in the week between races I don't know.
     
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