Vintage formulas drivability

I’ve figured it out I think. It only happens when I shift quickly. I experimented with coasting off throttle and then shifting it normal speed to the next gear while being quick to the throttle, was fine. Same thing while shifting very quickly resulted in banging off the rev limiter. I guess there’s either some kind of limitation in the software to prevent you from shifting too quickly, or it might be the reason assetto corsa has that shifter buffer factor. I can’t remember what it’s called, but it could be that ams2 is sensitive enough that when I shift super quickly it may slightly bounce out of gear momentarily as far as what the sensors see. Who knows. But if I shift slowly it works fine. It’s all about how fast I move the shifter.

I also have realized that classic Imola is just a brutal track. Everything has a camber to it so the car always wants to shoot left or right. Kyalami is a blast because you can slide it around all over the place and have fun. Car just acts a lot more predictable there due to I imagine the surface. But it feels amazing there.

 

Sorry yes degrees not percent, but if somebody went to the setup I think they'd figure it was brain fade. I didn't actually say do anything to the ramp angle, never mentioned it, I said decrease the coast angle, two different things. Project Cars 2 has a very good engineering guide in which ramp and coast are dealt with separately. But with more engine braking it helps stop the understeer into the corner, the point where the car simply wants to go straight on (or switch ends) and not turn, this is different to understeer through the corner or power on understeer out of the corner. It's the problem people are having with the car just not wanting to stop and turn with some stability that needs addressing in ways other than roll bars and springs or brake bias.

 

Yes, pretty much. I don't think the final drive ratio needs adjusting though. The adjustment helps in the V12 because you really don't want to use first gear if you can help it.

 

The cars all work as they should (at least all the ones I have tested). Many shifts in the F-Vintage can be shifted without clutch if you are careful. The F-Classics are much more robust and other than launch and going back down to 1st gear, as long as you rev match, you can usually avoid the clutch. The F-Vintage is half-way between that robust level (that then gets morphed into sequential design and operations in later years) and road car. Even the road car can skip the clutch if the conditions are right (but a much narrower rev matching range than in a race car).

The F-Vintage requires slow and deliberate shifts compared to more modern cars. And, for any/all, if you are not sure or not able to be careful, use the clutch for 100% avoidance of grinding and mis-shifts. When learning a new H-pattern car, I always start out using the clutch for all shifts until I get a basic control of the car and then experiment with clutch-less until I know how it behaves. So, far, all work as expected in AMS 2.

 

So you can see the separate adjustments in the menu, but at the same time you can't see the separate adjustments? Look this isn't about adjustments in Project cars 2, even though the principle is sound, it's about discovering why people go straight on in corners in AMS2 in the Vintage cars, to see if there is a basic modelling problem.

Reduce the coast angle and the car becomes stable under braking, gives more engine braking, and which in turn allows you to turn into the corner under control. Reducing the coast angle may not be the fastest way around the track, but it answers to some extent a simple problem in association with other setups changes. But just saying 'this doesn't make sense' is a moot point if the underlying modelling is wrong because then nothing makes sense. It's not like Reiza aren't working their way through modelling problems with many cars and it's not denial to think there may be an underlying problem skewing the values in the code.

 

Good grief, I know they are BOTH ramp angles, in the effing game though they are described as RAMP ANGLE and then separately COAST ANGLE, two separate adjustments. Have you even had a look to see how they are expressed? The RAMP ANGLE in the game does not have a subsection for COAST ANGLE otherwise it would be described as RAMP COAST ANGLE, which it isn't. Now if you want a contest to see who can piss highest please feel free, but for the sake of clarity it may be worth sticking to the actual names used for each adjustment in the GAME because it is important for the sake of clarity. If you are confused still about understeer it is not that making a negative adjustment to the coast angle from default stops understeer, but that it helps (which is what I said) so you can brake in a straight line and then turn in off the throttle, not having to battle both the differential and turn in at the same time. It's not perfect, not a solution, but you either want to try and identify something going on in the code or you want to argue the toss about something to do with nomenclature that you are too lazy to check in the setup menu.

 

TBH. The more I drive in AMS2, the more I'm finding that the physics on quite a few cars are needing a lot of work. Just tried the Passat. My God. Have just come off the game feeling pretty disappointed...

 

It's a shame, car classes like that should be great fun to race. But for now, the physics are just far, far from anything realistic.

 

Aye, it's a long way off sadly. As it stands for now at least.

 

Yep, very sad.
And the same stands for F-Vee, Opala 86, Opala Old, F-Trainer...

 

I have my doubts about how realistic this is. I have a hard time believing old school F1 cars had to be shifted this gently, these were purpose built racing cars after all. I am okay with requiring slower shifts or more clutch, but Im still missing a shift every 2-3 laps most of the time, and its just infuriating. Kind of takes the fun out of the drive. I've found that using the clutch vs not using the clutch doesn't seem to make much difference in terms of upshift success rate. Going down the gears always works flawlessly no matter how fast I do it. I might just end up turning on auto clutch or something.

As far as I can tell, the clutch doesn't really do anything at all. It definitely doesnt make the upshifts more consistent. I have better luck ignoring the clutch and focusing on getting off the gas completely. If you're using the clutch coming completely off the power for the shift shouldnt be as important ,but it seems like the clutch doesnt change this, but it does change my muscle memory and approach to shifting. So I think I may just focus on clutchless shifting.

The low speed understeer is bizarre too. Moving from a stop at full lock the car just goes straight sometimes. Very weird. At speed I think these things handle beautifully. Lapping classic Kyalami for a while is a blast, full four wheel drift into turn 1 is exhilirating.

 

I was curious about this so tested it for myself. I'm afraid after trying five or more times I could not reproduce this.

 

Really? Is it maybe some kind of weird setup thing?

Also, is there a way to display clutch/gas/brake axis inputs on screen like in some other games?

 

That is an extreme version of what I had at Brands’ first bend the other day. Car just seemed to turn in mid way through the bend.

I thought it was a groove or something but it only seemed to do it on the first lap - tyre temp related maybe?