Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

First test
Heavy messing v2.1
Changed a few things, but still heavy numb cornering.
Not much road feel.
Onto next one.

 

It works really well with the new build from Reiza that I'm sure you guys will be testing very soon too, @NuScorpii silly question, but do you see any pattern on Reizas FFB development? Cos its always some minor adjustments here and there and a file works well, or it seems!? Is there anything like damping, tyre scrub ongoing improvement? Thanks

 

Really? I know I'm probably stating the obvious here but have you tried turning FEI back to 100?
It feels really responsive to me at 60.35.55 (the file he linked earlier today with the 9.7version)

 

2.1 or 2.1a? There is a bug in 2.1 fixed in 2.1a.

However I went back to 2.0 and there is definitely a slight difference for the worse that I will take a look at later where some cars feel too light and seem to skip a bit over the track.

 

It does seem like there are continued small developments that require minor tweaking of the custom files. But there doesn't seem much of a goal or move to solve some of the issues Karsten and myself have highlighted.

 

Hey guys @NuScorpii and @Karsten Hvidberg could you please help or give a hint?
I try to reduce the massive mid corner clipping which was introduced in the last versions of the Reiza FFB. Is there a way?
The problem is that more or less all cars with a more heavy SAT (high downforce) seems to be clipping in high SAT situation and so the details even harsh curbs are all smoothed out. This means a very dull feeling in the corners although the FFB is only at 50% but the graph goes very calm and the expected spikes form a curb or from some scrubbing are completely lost.
I included already the following part in the new 0.9.7 custom file, but it seems only helping to a small extend, so I'm not sure if that really complete or to much.

Maybe I should try completely without the clipping part. Maybe it could also be already smoothed out in the internal Reiza algorithms before we get the FFB signal.

Code:

###########################################################
#
# Clipping
#

#allow 30% headroom

(headroom ( - 0.7 gain))
(clipTo ( + 1.3 headroom))
(clipTo ( if (max 0.0 headroom) 1.3 clipTo))

# Sig clip output

(sg_p 0.6)
(sg_s (+ (* 2.0 (- 1.0 sg_p)) (* 2.0 (- clipTo 1.0))))

(sg_f (+ (/ sg_s (+ 1.0 (power 2.718 (* -1.0 (* (/ 4 sg_s) (- output sg_p)))))) (- sg_p (/ sg_s 2.0)) ))
(output (if (max 0.0 (- output sg_p)) sg_f output))
(sg_f (+ (/ sg_s (+ 1.0 (power 2.718 (* -1.0 (* (/ 4 sg_s) (- (* -1.0 output) sg_p)))))) (- sg_p (/ sg_s 2.0)) ))
(output (if (min 0.0 (+ output sg_p)) (* -1.0 sg_f) (output)))

(hist_output (* output (/ 1 clipTo)))
(output (* output gain))

 

Does this happen in latest "Silver Bullet"? I would think it works fine in that since it blends the forces depending on loads as best it can, so the result should not add up like that, I would think.

I don't have access to the latest if it's a new beta release.


Cheers

 

Yes i was using the old v2.1
I tried the v2.1a and it's loads better, however i still prefer the old v2.0, get my fastest times with that one.

 

Some feedback based on 9.7 beta:

Karsten: your latest file doesn’t work well for me on 9.7. It feels weak and numb. I know you don’t have access to the beta, so just a heads up.

NuScorpii: I keep going back to Heavy Messing 2.0. It just feels the most natural. I wish I could express this better! Again, using with beta 9.7.

Thanks again guys for your efforts. Much appreciated.

 

NuScorpii: Thank you!! your files make the game more realistic for me.

Thanks NuScropii and Karsten for your great support and files for the community and making AMS2 better for us.

 

In this stages of FFB and physics changes I'm not running with your custom files to give feedback to Reiza. So I tried with the Reiza original custom 0.9.7.0 but with 0.9.6.1 it's the same. The custom files have no changes but the feeling is dull after Reiza introduced the new FFB regarding the jolts or spikes (after 0.9.3 or 0.9.4 ??) and this mid corner clipping is noticeable. Hopefully it's not smoothed out before we get the signal.

But this clipping where you loose all details in corners is something I try to get rid off.

 

Are you running Lfb at 0 possibly?
I did not add the fix to the Reiza issue on that, so you will need at least Lfb 1.

Cheers

 

Ok, I am not completely sure what you mean, sorry about that.

If you do try Silver Bullet v5, then make sure Lfb is set to at least 1% in game settings.

Ahh. I'm slow I think. You are commenting on default reiza settings and default reiza custom files on the new version in general. I think?

Well that sounds like a real shame...
They might busy trying to wrap up the game and don't have enough time for everything right now, possibly. I would not expect them to deliver truly great ffb until some time after 1.0, when they can breathe again

Cheers

 

No. I'm running ~80,~50~50.

 

I, too, insert my love.

 

Weird.. Well, not sure what's happened in the new beta version yet...
Last thing I can think of: If you have any friction set up for your wheel base already, then change the custom files friction from 0.1 to 0.0 will be required..

That was last guess.. Will otherwise look when I get that version too Thanks!

 

Based on @steelreserv 's post I think they might have touched the load force(although not stated directly here). If so it's the "turning_momentum" that will need to be raised, prob. significantly.

Try going to 5.0 first, then going much higher or lower after that, possibly, depending on result. Most likely, if they changed it, they changed it by a factor of 10 or 100. In that case you will need to hit 17.5 or even 175 on turning_momentum for it to feel as intended.

I would also guess that possibly the road details boosting is not working as intended in either custom file.

This is all speculation obviously.

Cheers

 

Ok, it was released now, looks like a factor 100... Or something else entirely...

Will look later or tomorrow...

 

This is really good news to hear indeed! I've wanted to jump into Arch for years now, but with three kids and limited spare time, I've done more sim racing than Linux learning the past few years, and have stuck with the Debian based distro that I know and have enjoyed for so long now. You have me very intrigued now to drop yet another hard drive in my gaming rig just for this purpose!

Sorry guys for my lack of testing the past several days. We're in the middle of some remodelling in our house and will continue to do so for the next few days.