General AMS2 Release & Feedback Topic

I TOTALLY agree. If the licensing would have been top secret... no one would bring it up. Also, the true understanding of what a game "engine" is doesn't help... some people assume it means, FFB, Assets, etc... They think it's basically a PC2 DLC, it is pure ignorance!

 

Yes, this nonsense about the game engine just stems from stupidity and ignorance. Try comparing two games that use the Unreal 4 Engine in the same way. It doesn't make sense and neither does describing this delightful sim as PC2. Grow up.

 

I think we can debate whether this counts, but this is what I am referring to. Now I dont necessarily think they understeer so much because I am always using the brakes to rotate the car, so I always feel like the car is sliding around on either end depending on what Im trying to do... Unfortunately I've gotten pretty good at it, so it's not as obvious visually as it feels. If I get it wrong it's obvious, but otherwise it's relatively subtle. Plus this definitely gives you a sensation of weight transfer as well, which is the other part of your complaint, and is why I dont necessarily feel the same way. But it's pretty subjective at the end of the day when we talk about feels, so dont think I'm trying to disprove your opinion or anything. Ideally we'd all be satisfied.

@ 3s,11s,13s, 22s, 24s

 

Fanboys have been the only ones mentioning PC2. I'm referring to AMS2!

 

Don't get me wrong but this is not about my subjective feels, it's an obvious flaw in the car's behaviour. I just drove online with two friends who are race drivers in real life. They thought exactly the same. You can't just intuitively throw the cars around the track.

Sure I can learn to adapt to the strange behaviour and maybe even master it, but I think this would completely ruin my driving technique in other Sims and in real life.

 

"Feel" is absolutely subjective. There is no way around that. Sorry. It "feels" fine to me. So who's right?

 

Wrong behaviour has nothing to do with feel. Wrong physical behaviour is always wrong. The game feels good to me too, but some of the cars don't behave like they should. At least the low downforce ones.

It's nice that it feels good for you but that doesn't make the wrong behaviour right.

 

Between you and the race car drivers that he mentioned? I would go with them!

Look, Reiza did the best they could with this flawed engine, but the physics are just nutty. Nothing they can do about it because they chose the Madness engine!

 

I wouldn't go that far. Maybe it's not an engine problem but just a really bad setup. I hope they can iron this out.

 

Race car drivers are driving actual cars. Thats a big difference. Sim racing is always going to be driving by remote control.

I wasnt aware any professional drivers had weighed in on AMS2 yet.

 

Yep, and some of them are sim racers too and can compare it to the real thing. They know how a car should behave. It doesn't matter if it's a real one or in a simulation.

They teached me how to go really fast with the 60s F1 in AMS 1. How to correctly rotate the cars, how to carry maximum momentum through the corners. This was only possible because the cars in AMS 1 behave like a real car.

 

In general, yes, you always have to adapt to the "strange behavior". As example, I drive a P4 car different in Brands Hatch than the G55 GT4. In other words, I adapt my driving to the physics of the car.

Pretty much meaningless. Kurt Thiim said iRacing is **** and Lando Norris and Max Verstappen said rFactor 2 is ****. In the end, this are personal opinions and should be taken as such.

 

You're definitely right. Simracing will never be like the real thing but it can simulate the behaviour of a real car really good even with today's technology.

The thing is, if you've ever driven a real car on the limit, you can feel any wrong behaviour in the sim too. There's definitely something wrong with the low downforce cars in AMS 2.

 

No that's not the same thing at all. You're talking about differnces between cars. I'm talking about completely wrong behaviour.

That's wrong also. A race driver can definitely say if a car behaves like it should. Every sim has good and bad cars, I would never say a sim is bad because of some not so good cars. The low downforce cars in AMS 2 are bad, because they don't behave in a plausible way.

 

Did you put the correct link there? Because it's showing Spiritual Beggars from where I'm looking... I didnt think anyone knew about them but me? That's always what I would put on when I did my autocrosses! One of those little benefits of "racing" streetcars... music. Can never be a real sim if music is on! Although Demons or Mantra III were my preferred albums.

 

About real life drivers and their opinion how a car should handle in a sim, this is a quote from Alex Hodgkinson in the Sector 3 forum :
"A year ago I sat at a dinner table with Romain Dumas and Hans Stuck. We discussed the VW IDR as we'd just launched the competition in game and I was at the Nürburgring for the IDRs first public appearance.

Anyway, Mr Stuck was insistent that our IDR had no grip/was too slippy whereas Romain was telling me it had too much, especially at low speed." Source

 

Im guessing without physical feedback, reference points are all relative to perception. I dont mean in the wheel, I mean in the seat of the pants.