Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

@Aza340 Csw 2.5.

 

@NuScorpii Which version of 2.5 are you currently using (e.g. smooth, detailed, minimal)? Just curious.

 

I regularly tried some of the custom files in the past months, but never find something for me. I always did get back to the default settings.
But after reading this post i did try the new 2.5 smooth setting and you are correct, this is what i was looking for.
@NuScorpii big thanks for your work, i really like the 2.5 Smooth file.

 

I tried the "Detailed" and didn't like it but then on my 3rd warm-up lap I noticed I had just gone 1.4 sec faster at Brands Hatch than I had ever gone before!
I loved the "Smooth" but as yet, have not been able to go as fast as I can with "Detailed". I am learning so much about FFB trying all these.

 

Just out of curiosity, what settings do you use in Gain, FX and LFB?

 

Gain between 80 and 95 depending on the car
LFB 30
FX 60
TM CP default (75/100/100/100)
In the file i didn't change anything, first i tried min force at 0.06, but i like it better at 0.00.

 

I'm curious if others are finding the "Detailed" file of Heavy Messing 2.5 to be a little vague due to constant scrub-type effect in the corners? After reducing the micro detail scaling to 0.6, I like pretty much everything about it. However, I am finding that the scrub effect is almost immediate upon cornering well before the limit and it's making it hard to detect other things while cornering. It's possible I am indeed sliding slightly hence the scrub, so maybe I will try a different car. I have been testing with the P3 Roco at Oulton Park mostly.

 

Nice settings, I like it. Works great with open wheeler

 

Dare I say it? Still using NuScorpii's "Heavy Messing Custom File 2.5 Beta" and I love it with my TS 300. Thanks a lot, NuScorpii!!

Settings:

TM Software
75 (Standard)
100 (Standard)
100 (Standard)
0
0
By Game

FFB:
Gain: 100
Low FFB Boost: 50
FX: 10-30 (depends on Car Class).

 

I had the same issue on my T300. Just try reducing scrub scale down until it balances out to your liking and you should be good to go.

 

Thanks. Would it be scrub_scale under FX or Scrub_scale_front/rear?

 

I have the same question as you. Wondering which one of those is the best one to change in order to reduce the scrub effect that is felt well before an actual slide. I messed around with the file a bit, and couldn't figure it out.

 

(scrub_scale n) - the first mention of scrub that appears in the file.

But, I don't think it affects the sensitivity of how quickly a scrub effect is felt in the turn, just the overall force/volume of the scrub effects. However, the author can confirm.

 

Alright, so this is an updated file that @Karsten Hvidberg, @Shadak and I have all been working on, which is this same file from the original SilverRaw 4.0, but upgraded for V1.0. (SilverRaw 40.0.5)

It got some improved feedback from the previous as in weight response at speed and around corners, as well as road feel.

I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work well on any DD wheels too btw.

@Alegunner68, as I said above its an updated version of Silver Raw so if it worked for you in the past this one should work as well, and I hope it does!

The same format as always with the variables on top so you can change to suit your preferred FFB:

# Rack scaling settings

(momentum_scale 1.0)
(center_pull 0.05)
(momentum_resistance 1.0)
(road_contact_resistance 0.0)
(momentum_limit 100.0)
#(min_momentum_weight 1.0)
(balance_scale 0.5)
(exaggerate_front_load_feel 0.4)
(slope_features_scale 0.1)
###########################################################
# Effect weights - Change here to make an effect more or less pronounced relative to other effects weights.

(engine_scale_at_still 0.6)
(engine_scale_at_speed 0.03)
(road_rumble_scale 0.01)
(scrub_scale 0.6)
(kerb_scale 0.08)

I hope it works well for everyone and you guys enjoy it! It works great for me!

I uploaded it again to fix a bug with the kerbs, last uploaded 12/07 @21:55

 

This is a lighter version of the Silver Raw 4.0.5 in case you find the above to harsh, my favourite file for quite sometime before I changed, and I still have my reservations to which is best tbh!

This one doesn't need much adjustment, in my opinion, its great right out of the box!
Silver Raw V1 - 4.0.2

 

Hello
I would like to test this version but can you clarify something please? the main complain I have with Reiza default is the loose wheel center , and Nuscorpii customs FFB fixed it for me with the introduction of the "tightness" variable and AMS2 feels really great now on my TS PC racer wheel through additional Gain/LFB/FX per car in the Game itself.

Is there an equivalent of this "tightness" in the in the Silver ram parameters?

Thanks so much

 

A bit controversial comment maybe but the FFB Simracing topic is controversial by nature anyway

while I was typing my message, I was also thinking about the lats 30yrs in automotive in regards to power steering design and development. I was about to enter University when Suzuki introduced the 1st EPS (electric power steering) on a road car in the market then HONDA followed by using such system on the NSX in 1990. It didn't prove to be massively popular with other OEMs in the early 90s and when I started my career as an Engineer in the mid 90s, I was not really involved in any car development that would set the Design directions with EPS, it was still HPS all over the place.
Now we are in 2020 and its obviously a different story and it has become very mainstream in every single OEM and market.

Where I am coming from is actually me as a Simracer being influenced by my background in automotive, I hated this feeling of the 1st EPS that I had to use in the Vehicles Programs development I was joining.Really hated this lack of connection with the car, this loose feeling around the center, lack of weight overall not to mention the whining noise from the electric motors.

Now of course OEMs have come a long way and improved dramatically on these concerns and I am lucky enough to drive a sport car with an EPS I love considering how well balanced it is but it doesn't completely erase the bad memories in my head.

I am putting my feet in Simracing games Devs and I am thinking if their own experience with cars could affect the way they design FFB in their titles, I wouldn't think they have driven all these sport and racing cars we can access but a just a certain portion of it meaning their IRL reference somehow spoils their work?

Having said that, I might be also not doing the right thing because in all these titles I own, I use a Custom FFB and tweak it to fight this lose wheel center feeling I was mentioning above but by doing that, I am now starting to think that I remove somehow the essence of car to car behavior difference in that area so basically I would be doing the "wrong" thing by making all the cars in the title too much uniform.

Things for thoughts guys(and girls)

 

For reference, as you have a different (slightly stronger) wheel, what in-game gain/LFB/FX settings do you have w/ this?

 

I use smooth but tweak it a little bit to increase the micro details slightly. I can't help but fiddle a bit especially after trying different car / track combos. Sometimes I feel like more scrub helps, other times a bit less. I do wonder if it's just "something feels slightly better because it's different" type thing.

 

@Chip @sherpa25 @Slapshot82 @Marc Collins With regards to when the scrub effect starts happening you can tweak the following variables in the scrub code:

(sf_s 0.55) - Front scrub threshold
(sr_s 0.52) - Rear scrub threshold

Increase these values to require a greater slip angle before the scrub effect starts.