Content Roadmap Discussion/Speculation (The 'Sherlock' Thread)

Hello!

Inspired by HomieFFM's excellent Sherlock thread over at Sector3's forum, I thought I'd start one here, to collect known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns (to quote Donald Rumsfeld) concerning the future of AMS2's future content.

There are statements, hints and the odd sly winks from Reiza's various forum members and social media feeds that I always like to piece together so we have a clearer picture of what's on the horizon.

For me personally, the game risks going wide rather than deep in some areas, so it's been very reassuring to see Reiza's development pace for the last few months and to see the published roadmap.



Anyway, without further ado...
(Red text denotes a link to a source)

KNOWN KNOWNS

• Historical Track Pack [Parts 1 & 2] (Paid)
• • Estoril (~1988)
  • Monaco (~1988)
  • Kyalami (~1992 - may not be in the paid pack)
• Racin' USA (Paid)
  • Long Beach (modern)
  • Daytona (modern)
• Brazilian Grand Prix Legends (Paid)
  • McLaren MP4/4
  • McLaren MP4/6
• Street Supercars (Paid)
• Adrenaline Pack (Paid)
• Tracks (Paid)
  • Nurburgring (GP, Nordschleife, Combined, Historic)
  • Spa-Francorchamps (1970, 1991, modern)
• Formula Retro Gen2 (Free?)
  • Brabham BT46

KNOWN UNKNOWNS

• Classic Touring Cars (Free)
  • '60s/70s vintage touring cars' (upd: likely this was covered by the '65 Mini and the '79 M1?)
  • '90s British ... touring cars'
  • 1970s Porsche? (hint - not very definitive - upd: I believe this may have referred to the GT3 car)
• GT3/4 Pack - Second 'batch' (Free?)
  • Mercedes AMG GT4
  • BMW M3/M4 GT4
• Racin' USA (Paid)
  • 90s CART (hint)
• Brazilian Grand Prix Legends (Paid)
  • 'famous championship winning cars'
  • We already have both of Fittipaldi's winning cars, so options for this are Brabham BT49C, Brabham BT52, Williams FW11B, McLaren MP4/4 (confirmed), McLaren MP4/5B and McLaren MP4/6 (confirmed)
• Tracks (Paid)
  • 2x TBA
  • Buenos Aires? (hint 1 / hint 2)
  • Monza? ('maybe' hint)
• 'a 6th DLC pack' (this may be one of the TBA circuits)

UNKNOWN UNKNOWNS

• 'With [the models in the July update] and many other models already licensed we can confidently assert that AMS2 will have the largest ensemble of classic Grand Prix cars in a racing sim' - more GP cars in future?
• 'Trying to gather a little more Argentinian content' - TC2000?
• Ginetta G40? (hint)
• Buskerud kart track
• Longer term, a fifth and a sixth may join the party but those we will have to wait and see - Potential 5th and 6th GT3/GT4

SPECULATION
Uneducated guesswork based on existing licence agreements and models that could be 'loaned' from PC2:

• Brazilian Grand Prix Legends (Paid)
  • Worth noting that the Formula Retro is called 'Gen1', so I expect at least a 'Gen2' will be in the works and would complement the early 80s cars well - best case maybe even a Gen 2 for ground effect cars and Gen 3 for turbo cars.
• Racin' USA (paid)
  • Watkins Glen is owned by the same group as Daytona and has been licenced together in every other modern title Daytona has appeared in.

So anyway guys, if you're still reading fair play, but thought I'd see if anyone's aware of any other hints or clues that have been dropped by Renato or the team - and of course, if the team want to drop any more or correct any of the info, it's always welcome!

 

Good read. you explain the red vs black test?
(And maybe update the start of the first post with this).

 

Renato was hinting twice about a additional "surprise" track. Would that be the one you listed as TBA? I keep thinking that the track fitting the most with Group C cars would be LeMans.

 

Oh, will do - red is a link to a source of the info

 

TBA one is the ‘one more to be announced this year’ from the July dev blog - admittedly this may be either Buenos Aires or Monza or something different - I assume different because I don’t think Monza is agreed and Buenos Aires they hinted at wanting some other content to go with it?

I’d love Le Mans and SMS made a great ‘70s version, but it’s supposedly VERY expensive and even PCARS3 hasn’t licenced it, so I have my doubts.

If you can find me that ‘surprise’ reference I’ll happily add to the OP

 

I think we are talking about the same thing in regards to the track. I still have my hopes up for LeMans because Reiza does pay very close attention to having matching cars/tracks.

 

October or before, seems pretty difinitive to me

 

Good thread.

I hope Reiza doesn't forget french (Reims, Le Mans, Paul Ricard and Magny Cours) and italian (Monza, Mugello and Magione) tracks. They would be great additions to the game.

 

That may mean the reference to the GT3/Cup comment was what I meant.

 

Oh, I read it as I asked, saying we know of the GT3/Cup car but I was interested in a 74ish model Porsche and they said "soon" if they read my Tweet as I asked. But as we all know things can be interpreted differently in text. I really REALLY hope it's the 74 Porsche!

 

Thank you, that makes a lot of sense. I was reading on mobile so didn't have the benefit of hovering to see the link
Great thread!

 

cool thread, the mp4/4 is also confirmed, that car waz in the first trailer.

 

I think I saw in another thread that the group C could (probably) also include the Toyota, Jaguar and Mazda like the famous GTP mod for NR2003

 

We had a spoiler about the 911. I believe that its safe to confirm that porsche will be at game.

So if it will be a third german brand to be add, i would guess Audi. We all know that Audi uses the R8 in GT3.

 

Excellent, thanks! I've added a link to the trailer to the 'known knowns' list with a confirmation on the MP4/4.

Also noticed Formula Retro is 'Gen 1', so I expect a 'Gen 2' to come at some point in future, which points to at least one of Piquet's Brabhams to me.

---

Porsche still hasn't been confirmed in writing so I'm nigh certain that will be the third German brand (seeing as we've seen pics of one at least). To be honest, I thought I'd seen something from Reiza saying they didn't have a deal with Audi (yet) but I can't find the source so haven't added it.

---

I'd be very, very surprised if that's the case - if you could find the original I'd be interested to look. None of those are amongst the most commonly licenced sim brands, and Jaguar and Toyota are known to be two of the more difficult ones to deal with. We know Toyota's stance has changed a bit recently, but I'd still be very surprised to an 80s Toyota Group C car. Would love to be wrong!

 

On the Dev Roadmap in the last section (2021) it says "Street Supercars" and underneath it "Adrenaline". I wonder what Adrenaline stands for? I don't think it is connected to the "Street Supercars" since there is an extra space between those two.

 

Perhaps the following speculation is less "Sherlock" and more "wishful thinking", but if we combine a few statements and facts:

"AMS2 will have the largest ensemble of classic Grand Prix cars in a racing sim" + "other famous championship winning cars" + "Trying to gather a little more Argentinian content" + Reiza having secured a Mercedes license:

Juan Manuel Fangio was an Argentinian who won the Grand Prix Championship in a Mercedes W196 in 1954… maybe something for a 2021 DLC? Alone, I don't think any of the hints above are enough to claim this. But the pieces seem to fall together very nicely…

 

“Adrenaline” is the name of the off road pack: Automobilista 2 2020-2021 Season Pass on Steam

Interestingly, they’ve updated the Season Pack description to include a sixth track

 

I think you're missing a Porsche Cup car. I swear i thought it was confirmed on initial release but it seems to have gone quiet. That car is surely coming with the absence of the boxer cup car.

 

I hope so, would love to have the Porsche Cup Brasil in-game with this FFB @Renato Simioni