Trail braking general question

Is there any pedal / car combination where you can actually feel trail braking working and have it respond anything like in a real car? I have FANATEC inverted pedals and have tried just about every conceivable hardware or configuration setting, but I just can't seem to make any car respond by lightening the rear end either going into, or in the middle of a turn. I dunno, maybe I'm just expecting too much from any sim, because AMS2 is not the only sim where I have this problem. Hmmm, a skid pad track might be an interesting add-on for geeks like me to play with stuff like this.

 

I'm still trying to figures out what this Trail Braking is in RL, I did not manage to find any use in RL with any cars so far. I tend to belive it's a Sim Myth or something with the setup of vintage US road cars. (stiffer in the rear softer in the front and RWD.)

Some cars have a definitive usable brake oversteer in AMS2, like all Porsches, but I dont see a real advantage compared to clean cornering under throttle.
In general I foudn out that I don't get faster by braking later but harder.
Key point is the right momentum after turn in and the right amount of brake pressure.

 

What I mean is that RL and in AMS2 the effect is rather subtle compared to other titles, DiRT rally 2.0 comes to my mind where lift off oversteer and braking around the corners is absolutely exagerated.

 

Exspecting it to do wonders, that's what I still consider a Sim Myth just liek "drifting is the fastest way through a corner". See my DiRT reference.

 

Wait.. there's a big misconception of what is trail braking here

Trail braking is not about making the rear end lighter at all, it's not a "handbrake turn".

Trail braking is about maximizing grip level of the tires under load:
Braking apply longitudinal load to the tire, turning apply transversal load.
A tire can only accept a finite amount of load before losing grip, so if you're still braking hard when starting to turn you'll apply more load that tires can accept => you'll loose grip.

Trail braking is juste about getting lighter on the brake when starting to turn so the tire can have more grip for turning. The more you turn, the less you apply break pressure. Doing that you'll maximise the speed you'll be able to enter into corner.
Instead of braking hard in straight line, release brake then turning you'll start to turn while still braking, but soflly releasing brakes.

It's easy to experiment: Take any GT3 car with ABS. Enter into a corner too quick while braking hard => you'll understeer and go almost straight even without tire lock (thanks ABS magic).
Try the same but release the brake progressively => car will turn even if you're speed may be higher than previously.

 

Walther Röhrl did that for a while in the early Audi Quattro days, since that cars had no hydraulic e-brake. But even he switched to a more precise planign ahead driving style way before, when sideways was no more the appropriate way because tires got better lateral grip. (Starting with the FIAT 131)

 

Your right! It's DEF a technique in RL. I've driven and raced Miatas ( super Miatas actually, an e prod body style but supercharged), BMWs, and last, an Ariel Atom ... and it's something that is useful, and even mandatory to turn quick lap times. Each car has it in varying degrees, but it's there. Always. I just haven't been able to do a setup for any car in AMS2 where the on track performance matches anything close. Specifically, what Im looking for is the ability to apply just enough brake to help the car rotate into a turn. Maybe I'm looking for something that's just too subtle. Dunno. I just can't seem to come up with any setup (hardware and software) Maybe I need to go to a full motion sim to feel it " in the butt", but I'd be happy with being able to override the inherent way a car performs.

 

I -can- get it to occur, but to me at least, it's not something that's controllable. I can do a setup for any car, but what I get is a light switch type behavior, and what I'm after is being able to control it after a turn is initiated. Does that make sense?

 

That's what I would like to have posted LOL. and it's about as clear of a description as you can get. Thanks!