Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

Good day everyone

I have an old OSW, IONICUBE build, so I'm still with the trusty old MMoS firmware. I downloaded this file and chose the high end file. But it made my FFB very noisy, lots of vibrations everywhere, so I reverted back to the default one, which had much better results on my end. Is there other file I should use? Or should I try tweaking something that may suit my wheelbase better? If someone could point me in a direction that does not make me read 172 pages (of much needed discussion!), I will be grateful!

 

Did you by any chance leave FX really high? The slider is independent (cant remember if we changed it in the last one but i think it still is) from gain, so on a DD I would run this much lower, like 23-25 to avoid these situations. Unless Im misunderstanding. Never heard about the above OSW though so anything could happen I guess

 

Thanks for answering. IIRC (haven't fired up AMS2 since the weekend), I have FX at or near 0. I tend to deactivate all effects in all titles besides main force gain and some damping, but then that's also a mistake of my part in guessing how the FFB system works instead of actually finding out.

My reference point on these tests was the Sauber C9 at Spa 93. I spent a couple of days working on a setup, as default one was too snappy and not fun to drive. When I finally got it working, lapping the car around the track felt wonderful, and I could feel what all 4 tyres were doing at all points, how much I was sliding, how much it was affecting the attack angle into corners, and how it was gripping the track or close to losing it. Now, it was a bit muddy, but still effective. So I wanted to try these files, but instead I got tons of vibrations everywhere and the progression of torque building was gone.

I'm pretty sure I'm using Gain at 100, Damping at 2 or 3, and the rest at 0. After reading a description that the car FFB multiplier acted as damping on these files, I reduced gain down to 50, and tried to play a bit with the multiplier, but it was just not working for me.

 

Hmm weird, FX 0 would technically remove all the "feelings" of the road and tyres. Did you try more?
Damping slider acts as power steering, ie. more damping slider makes the steering torque progressively lighter the more you turn/go faster so thats also something that should or could be synched with the main gain slider. Unless your wheel base is super odd in some ways, you shouldnt really need to touch FFB multiplier much though, dont remember it acting as a dampener in the main Karsten's file but as said its been a long time

 

Didn't try tweaking anything else, because at that moment I realized I had little idea of how AMS2's Custom FFB is supposed to work. So I just reverted back to default and came here asking for pointers. Now I have something to try

 

To all of you having trouble with the G923, I've tried this custom FFB file and highly reccomend it:
AMS 2 FFB - Fixed Lock-Stops & No Engine Vibration

It removes the constant rattling I had especially in the center, gives much weight to every car without making the gears do that rattle noise. Plus it feels just more precise than default or any other custom FFB. It removes the effect you feel constantly when rolling (which feels a bit like driving over dirt tracks on this wheel) but all other effects feel much better.

My in game settings are:
Gain: 100
LBF: 0
FX: 100
Damping: 0

 

Just bumping this back to page 1.

 

I belatedly congratulate @Kuku Maddog on his latest tuning of the 4.6 Delta v2.1 file with the implementation of the features of the 4.4 file (as well as all the others who have given feedback) ... the file is really nice and I think it is the current point of reference among the custom ffb files for the low end !!!

Having said that, not knowing what to do, I wanted to apply the same mechanism to the last original 4.6 by Karsten, implementing the relative items of the 4.4 tires but without importing the lines of code below the 4.4 (except in two cases that I was obliged) and leaving then (as far as possible) the original lines of 4.6. For example I have not entered the smoth or its values of 4.4 if different or not present in 4.6. I think I managed to get close to the kuku result but keeping the original 4.6 code as much as possible, I then entered some of your values that I shared (some by @Peter Stefani), I applied more or less my usual tuning, I rounded the relaxation curves, I changed the resistance of the tires, etc etc.

IMPORTANT:
IF YOU OPEN THE FILE AFTER THE 3 MAIN DIALS I HAVE CHANGED THE ORDER OF THE ITEMS TO MAKE IT MUCH MORE SIMPLE TO IDENTIFY WHICH ITEMS TO EDIT BASED ON WHAT YOU WANT TO IMPROVE ... PLEASE ASSESS IF KARSTEN & CO. AND YOU AGREE THE POSSIBILITY OF APPLYING THIS ORDER FOR FUTURE FILES ... ESPECIALLY BEGINNERS (BUT NOT ONLY) WOULD BENEFIT SINCE THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO MOVE IN THE FILE AND WHICH ITEMS TO EDIT.
FOR THE REST THE FILE IS IDENTICAL

NAME: Silver Raw - rFuktor 4.6 KARSTEN GO BACK - Momentum Rack 6.3 - Tuned by Stakanov for Logitech G920 and LowEnd Wheels

In game setting, select "Custom" with this starting value:
GAIN 95* - LFB 15 - FX 55 (to taste) - DP (PowerSteering) 25.
*Then, in the car setting, use +/- % of Gain for car to taste!!!

Others advise in the file!!!

 

Thanks @Stakanov the file is WOW (i have the same wheel g920 ) and i am new with custom file ... i'am a little confused, many voice, many value, but in this your file seem it is easier to understand what I should do or rather what or which area I modify!
If i need can i ask you for help?

 

Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad you like the file and sure that I am / we are available to help you, just ask what leaves you in doubt !!
To start after my file (if you have not done so), test the files as you find them on the front/first page and starting from the original by Karsten, then for the low end I suggest you to try Peter's files which also has a G920 and also and above that of Kuku (is for the T300) but is fine for all the low end wheels bases... go step by step and try them all (AdreiC, etc. etc.) ... in the end the base file is always the same and the tastes are personal.
For the tuning go and change voice by voice and step by step ... until the new value is better, go further, as soon as the feeling gets worse go back and go to the next voice ... in this way you should do it better and without getting confused!!!
Welcome!!!

 

Thank you very much @Stakanov, I will do as advice. I just need a confirmation
The other files I downloaded have all the voices mixed and in different sequence, while in your file the same voices are in different order and divided by category. If I understand correctly the files are identical only that you have ordered everything by category and by group but the rest of the functionality is identical to the other files right?
If so it's much better ... I know where to go even if I don't know what to change yet ... I'll study !!!

 

@Manolo you have understand perfectly ... if you feel better for now use my file for the experiments!!!
Without wanting to get too confused, you will realize that if the order of the entries is not changed even by the compilers then it will not be convenient to keep this approach (even if more immediate in understanding), because the ffb files come out continuously even after a few days and, to go fast in the tests, we use the "notepad ++" program (together with the "compare" plugin) to compare them quickly ... you will understand by yourself that if the new file has a completely different order from the old, every time I would have to re-edit the file to make it comparable and then for us we say "experts" you would lose the comfort ...

I understand, however, that it would be very convenient for you but forget it for now go to the basics!!

 

Nice work and good to see you again @Stakanov .
I’m not far from settling on finale configurations for Delta V3.
i’m not sure what will come first , V3 or Monza .
but in it i have replaced the complicated desmos relax with some customised earlier code so it works with 4.6 .
Makes it much easier and feels intuitive .
so watch this space .
will probably be my final tune as the T300 is soon for replacement and i believe it will be perfectly fine for use on most wheels but might need your polish for g29 .

 

Hi @Kuku Maddog i reciprocate the pleasure and I will be very available to carry out any test ... I'm very curious about this Delta V3!!
Good day to everyone!!!

 

Uh, it’s pinned now!

 

I start slowly to understand these files, that are fantastic even without additional tuning (I am not yet able to modify them harmoniously), compared to the default already the use of the custom ffb alone highlights their greater informativeness.
I have tried the original file 4.6 by Karsten and the tuned files ones by AndreiC, Kuku, Peter and Stakanov ... all are superior to the default and each has its own different nuance. I must say that they improve the driving experience a lot by enriching them with sensations and greatly reducing the hated elastic effect of the default ffb.
You are great guys. Thanks a lot!

Only a few particularly swaying cars I can't balance and especially those that have manual clutch and H gearbox ... some advice???

 

Using V 2. its very very good. Thx. But somehow i am missing any road / wheel feedback in fast corners. Its ok in slow corners. How can i improve? Thx

 

Caution.
Monza Historical oval has exposed something that’s a issue with the 4.6 configuration.
On the banking, there’s a few scary jolts caused by the way the caster feel works and the apparent difference in wheel or rack angle on the high banking.
It doesn’t occur in default or 4.4.
This will need investigation…..
@Karsten Hvidberg @Shadak @Panos Schoino

 

I noticed it varied a bit between cars. Group C seemed fine, but Formula Classic G3 was quite bad…

(This is with Kuku’s Delta X V2.1)

 

yes seems worse with limited suspension travel . it’s dangerously bad with some cars. But also is making for quite a bit of clipping over the undulating bumps on the banking.
anything 4.5 or lower is fine , as the steering feel comes more from the tyre or kinda feels like top of the suspension .
4.6 is taking signals more directly from steering rack or geometry and as soon as caster info is added it freaks out.