Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

Is this also why you recommend 20 to 30 "FEI" on the DD1/DD2 right? Those settings make it more linear? I never thought about that because every "guide" left all the "game forces" at 100% and FEI was also treated as a "game force" but now I noticed it felt like an artificial boost on high frequency or small things, and by lowering FEI in many other ffb files or even reiza's profiles I've found interesting changes.
I used to have to run "interpolation filter" in AMS2 because there was a rattling grinding noise all the time on the DD1 in AMS2, but with just a small FEI reduction from 100 to 70 that noise disappears and it becomes smooth.

 

When I still had my DD1 I used to have my FEI at 70 % all the time, tried 20-30 but 70 was the sweet spot for me. Just my personal preference.

Short question for @Karsten Hvidberg: Do you want the pre- 3.9.4 files also to be listed or just your latest file?

 

Fanatec and the settings—that's a very difficult and controversial issue. I'll explain my perspective on it later.

 

They are just experimentals, and not tuned to feel good.
I have a new file ready, with the most important development for 4 years in it, and finely tuned it as well.
I think that might be better suited for any listing. Here was a smiley, but not working on mobile.

 

Alright, will replace the current latest file with the actual latest file then. Looking forward to trying it when I‘m back home again.

 

No, this doesn't make it more linear.I generally try to let the game and its FFB work and not override the base.I generally try to avoid vibrations, high-frequency noises, or other anomalies from different systems (bases) because this allows for more detail to be felt and thus the "real FFB" reaches the hands.I generally try to use as few amplifiers or filters as possible in a base, keeping it linear and blending them together with the custom file.

Fanatec is more complicated here than other bases.Specifically, Fanatec uses the "FEI" to drastically increase the FFB effects, which leads to undesirable effects.The FFB file doesn't need to increase the effects; the file itself handles this. If you increase "FEI," you now need "INT" to reduce the roughness and smooth the FFB.So, I did exactly what I tried to avoid as described above: I used high values for the amplifiers and filters in the base.Through many comparisons with other dds, I've also noticed that a Fanatec Podium dd1/dd2 with less FEI and INT works better and is more comparable to other dd bases.Otherwise, they would have to change the entire file and adjust it accordingly. Added to that is the Peak and Linear mode, which I posted in another thread just a few days ago. I've attached it here again:


Text from the Force Feedback thread:
Fanatec simply truncates the peak, thus achieving fewer Nm in Linear mode to only achieve a constant holding torque.The logical conclusion from this is that you can feel more subtle details with Linear than with Peak, because higher forces can mask them.I think with a dd1, it's about 15 Nm instead of 20 Nm.There are many opinions about what's better and what isn't.For me, after many comparisons with other bases, the problem with Fanatec is the motor in these old dd1/dd2 bases and the poor internal FFB algorithms.This means that the in-game signals from a simulation are not processed and output well.Nevertheless, I personally still prefer "Peak" so that the full, highest torque can be utilized in certain simulation situations.However, to utilize this peak effectively, certain settings must be adjusted.Specifically, this means that "FEI" must be significantly lowered to feel the game's more subtle FFB details again.Otherwise, everything will be too masked, or there will be extreme vibrations or high-frequency noise, or a very coarse and grainy feel."FEI" and "INT" are, for me, the key to achieving peak performance with Fanatec.I'm also someone who tends to set everything to linear and neutral, but this can't be applied across the board because there will always be special cases.One could also say that if these two values are kept high, Linear would be the better option.If these two values are kept low, Peak would be the better option.


You'll even notice that I've provided two different options for the Fanatec Clubsport dd bases (12Nm and 15Nm) for the base settings (with FEI and INT), because there are different tastes, and not everyone feels the same. Everything I've written here is my personal impressions and experiences, but they don't necessarily reflect other opinions.In the end, everyone should take what they want, and it should simply be fun

 

And hopefully then we will all finally find out what the "?" in the these experimental files was for... Smiley on mobile here not working.

 

Yea, for a tiny moment I was wondering what that was about If you type : and then ) you get the smiley btw, or at least a smiley

 

here comes the custom ffb hype train
Smiley working on PC

 

Hehe,
Yes, sorry, I know it can come off rather annoying, sorry about that (mobile smiley working?)

But it really will make the world a better place and all people live in harmony with one another. On the track it will make us all appreciate the competition and be happy for the other person when they win.

Or maybe it will make us finally give up and go back to Default+, full on FBB custom file disbelief.

Hmmm, I can't decide, but it's one of those 2.

 

This is quite interesting, thanks for spending time detailing this to me since I had no prior understanding of these settings specially FEI, Interp I thought was just a smoothing filter.

I personally agree with you that the most unfiltered base with the least abnormalities or "strange things" not only feels the best and most direct, but it is also the best for performance.
I agree that even if you're under 15nm using peak you're still activating the full energy from the motor.

Sometimes I wonder if the new Fanatec bases are really worth it but I mean, if I upgraded it should only go 1 way: simcube.

But I've became dependant on the Fanalab ease of use for FFB and Led profiles.
IDK if it's possible with your simcube? to edit the FFB profile while driving mid race?
(increase decrease any parameters as you see fit) That is something I used to do a lot in AC while driving if I got tired I would reduce gain.

Another thing is in Fanalab I have game tabs or folders, for AMS1 AMS2 AC etc... then inside each one, I have 20 30 40 profiles, with the steering wheel leds matching the cars and gain etc.

(In case of AMS2, if I used different AMS2 ffb settings for a car, I would write them down on the Fanalab profile).
And even in AMS2 I can have any Fanalab FFB and Led profile load up when I load the car onto the track.
This is such a seamless experience where I can quickly jump from 1 car to another without much worry. If I ever got a simcube, which wheel should I get? I literally have no idea.

In fanatec I've got the DD1 F1 bundle, I've used the M3 GT2, but for a rounder I really like the "Podium" Porsche GT wheel with the "endurance module". I really like the leds since I see them light up under ABS/TC, lockup or wheelspin. Even DRS lights too.

If money wasn't an issue I would go for the top of the line Asher McLaren wheel obviously but I have no idea how to even start "porting" all my led profiles ... seems like a daunting never ending task.

 

Not everything at Fanatec is bad. When I think about the Belt bases, they are still among the best on the market today. I also think the new Fanatec bases are better than the old dd1/dd2 bases.It all depends on your priorities, and if you like the LED profiles, Fanatec is fantastic. I have and always have had different priorities for a base. For me, the most important thing is the feeling a base gives me.The knockout for me with my dd1 was the extreme flex of the base, which varied greatly depending on the manufacturing process, and unfortunately, the QR2 adapter wasn't available back then.This flex ruined the entire gaming experience for me. Plus, the updates and firmware were always a gamble; sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. I think the new dds are better from Fanatec now, too, and I hope things get better for this company.

There are good and not so good aspects to every base when you compare everything.When I say the Simucube is the gold standard for me, that's only referring to the feel of this base. For other things, there are bases that do it better than the Simucube. So, set your priorities and what your requirements are for a base, and then decide whether to buy one