Brake migration and other adjustments

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  1. Racinglegend1234

    Racinglegend1234 AMS2 wiki founder AMS2 Club Member

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    Hello
    Will AMS2 add brake migration or is it already in the sim, but not changeable? Will also other things be added so we change them from the car such as boost pressure?
     
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    Google says brake migration is brake bias...

    If so this is already in the sim, same with boost pressure although I'm not sure if that's got an in car adjustment or not...
     
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    Racinglegend1234 AMS2 wiki founder AMS2 Club Member

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    Brake migration is the movement of brake bias during the braking phase
     
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    So instead of modulating the brake you have driving aids doing the work?

    Modern F1 never ceases to confound me...
     
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    Racinglegend1234 AMS2 wiki founder AMS2 Club Member

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    That is F1. Make F2 and F3 very hard and then F1 makes everything easier
     
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    Yeah from DRS onwards it's really lost it's way... Even technologically it's not the pinnacle of motorsports anymore...

    It's more marketing than anything...
     
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    Racinglegend1234 AMS2 wiki founder AMS2 Club Member

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    Which series would you say is more technologically advanced?
     
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    WEC and Formula E... The only cars in F1 history that come close are the Williams FW15C but that's just on the suspension side...
     
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    Racinglegend1234 AMS2 wiki founder AMS2 Club Member

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    I wouldn’t say Formula E is more technologically advanced and WEC is maybe on par, but one is a spec series no one has BoP. In F1, advanced aero and technologies are needed to become quicker.
     
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    The current gen FE is one of the most advanced racing cars in history..

    It's in front of F1 in terms of racing quality and in terms of technology in every facet that isn't aero and tyres...

    Aero is good for grip and flying planes, bad for racing cars... And realistically the aero of the current F1s isn't far removed from what was around in the 80s as they go back to ground effect cars... It's more refined and set around a different ruleset, overall though DRS shows that's it's very technologically inefficient way to go racing...

    Same with tyres when they are too technologically advanced, which is why so many are calling for the return of the old Pirellis with their need for multiple stops per race due to wearing out faster...
     
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    Or maybe this one - which was instantly banned because it massacred the Silverstone lap record not by fragments of secs but by whole secs.:confused:

    cvt test car front.jpg CVT-test_car.jpg
     
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    That year was really the last year that F1 was truly above and beyond every other series in terms of technology...

    Ever since they've been slowly lowering their bar until they were overtaken...
     
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    Its to stop lockups on those corners which become tighter. It means as the driver trailbrakes the brake bias goes rearwards. It would be realistic to have it in ams2, and itself is a new feature in f1 23
     
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    F1 23 the game or in F1 itself...?

    Seems like another thing that should face the ban hammer...
     
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    Been awhile irl, new to this years codies game
     
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    Well no wonder ground effects couldn't save the racing...

    This would save drivers from making small errors which would lead to more overtakes... If they removed this the number of overtakes would double or triple...
     
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    Its also in le mans hypercars, and is not to be confused with abs
     
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    Brake migration was introduced by Ferrari in 2007, as a mechanical system which works with suspension movement (it was the main component and piece of information involved in the spygate with McLaren, the other being rare gases used for filling tyres to achieve better heat transfer towards the rim). Due to weight transfers, a more forward brake bias works better for slowing the car down, while a more rearward works better for turning into the corner.

    Brake migration mixes the best of both worlds with little compromise: it moves bias forth when front suspension gets loaded, then gets it back as the load decreases and begins turning.

    It's also known as dynamic brake bias, and no, it's not an aid: because of how it works, it increases chances of front tyres locking up under heavy braking, which is why it keeps on happening even to this date, and with all the evolution that the cars have had.
     
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    So it's technically not stopping the car from locking up, it's just reacting to the weight transfer?

    It's still a little too much of a driver aid for F1 for me as it's helping them trail brake with the same brake bias...

    Endurance racing is a different animal, but F1 is a sprint race that needs overtaking and even if it's not a full electronic aid stopping the brakes from locking, it still creates less chances of a trail braking mistake from the drivers...
     
  20. Matus Celko

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    It is not a driver aid any more than an engine map is. The issue is that a brake bias that locks the front brakes at 200kph will lock the rear brakes at 80kph. That is becaue the aero balancig changes as speed decreased, and the car becomes nose heavy because of the braking. For driver to be able to reproduce this, he/she would have to change the brake bias during the braking phase.. and considering F1 can stop from 300kph on 100meters, that's not really feasable.

    And F1 is not a sprint race.

    That's a bold claim, considering you're not even familiar with F1 technology from 2007...
     

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