Ginettas practically uncontrollable in the wet

Is this right? I just feel the lack of any grip at all for the G40 Ginettas on wet tracks cannot be realistic. YOu even slide all over when going around a tight corner at 40mph. Thats not right. I dont slide in my real car. And my car's tyres are in a lot worse condition than racing car wet tyres!

I feel the tyres in this game could do with a bit more grip overall. I think they are a bit too slidey to be realistic, especially in the wet.

 

Please specify what model and class of Ginetta you're referring to.

 

I had something similar happen with caterham supersport last night, whilst it was tricky it wasn't uncontrollable but the big issue was that the AI were glued to the track and barely slowed down, I went from holding 5th place to stone cold last and over a minute behind the leader of 14 laps. I was losing about 8 seconds a lap when taking into account pitstops.

 

Sorry about duplicate post I tried to delete the first one.

Yeah looking at that video is what I would expect - quite slidey in a tight turn on slightly wet conditions. But you can hear the grip take hold again as the car rights itself.

I was driving a G40 Ginetta (the slower of the two) in AMS2 on Silverstone International in heavy rain/storm conditions and I literally was struggling to keep it straight even on shallow corners. And very very easy to spin - difficult to even drive down Hangar Straight without wobbling from side to side there was so little grip!

There is a heck of a lot more grip on PCars2 version of these cars thats for sure lol.

I also tried the faster G55 Ginetta, but that was a lot better, much more controllable.

I might do some tests tonight of the G40 Ginetta in light rain to see how it compares to that video. See if I can spin and right myself again. But tbh it just feels off to me. I am certainly not an expert but a heavy car on rain tyres should not skid around everywhere as if on a skating rink with no sense of any grip at all. I can understand it spinning on a bit of rough handling.

I have heard comments on videos, from more knowledgable people than me, saying they feel that AMS2 still has a touch too little grip though and I would have to agree with that, for at least some of the cars.

Note - I use a Logitech GT wheel and pedals and auto gearing which might be making spinning a bit more prevalent as I dont have so much control over gear use. Certainly acceleration seems to induce spinning very easily using auto gears. I might try messing about with my wheel/pedal settings.

 

I disagree I ve just done a test drive in the G40 in light rain and normal rain. In light rain there is a lot of grip still, in normal rain there is very little grip. It does not feel very realistic, to me, to have such a huge difference in grip levels between light rain and normal rain. The track changes from being fairly grippy to like a skating rink. That doesnt feel right to me at all. And in storm conditions the G40 is completely uncontrollable?

We are talking about a racing car with good rain tyres here not a 1960s Morris Minor. No I definitley feel the grip level is not right for the heavier rain conditions. I dont expect it to grip like a F1 car but definitely it doesnt feel entirely realistic to me.

 

It wasn't so long ago people were adamant that there was no inherent problem with the physics. I think its worth either getting more detail (telemetry or some such), hardware description, video footage and so on. I'm sure the OP can provide before this turns into a "he said/ She said" thread..

 

I'll fire it up this morning too. I'll try and capture some telemetry and feed back.

 

Well I had a go in the G40 at Imola with rain. I gave it 5 laps at circa 2mins 27/28 a lap so plenty of time for water to accumulate which was clearly visible quite quickly. No issues to report with my G920 with dodgy potentiometers in the pedals. Telemetry below. Not particularly quick but this car invites overdriving and there is evidence of that in the telemetry Its just too much fun to not carry too much speed in..
Anyway, Slide 1. Overview of timings showing loose consistency, which implies predictability.

As you can see, as I get used to the car the times improve. This is default setup. Plenty to be found in both car setup and more importantly my FFB setup. There's perhaps too much detail coming back through the wheel which needed to be filtered out. Momentary grip fluctuations invite a counter response which can bring in a driver induced oscillation. FFB can accentuate this.

Slide 2. This shows lateral and longitudinal accelerations. Nothing dramatic to see here, predictable grip through corners with some minor corrective action for heavy power application and high speed corner entries. The G40 is light at the rear in these situations I found (very similar to my own rl car).


Slide 3- grip levels. This is a tricky one to read. Essentially you can read is as a demand graph. On the straights grip reads close to zero as not much demand, in turns it goes up until grip is exceeded where it reduces until grip is regained. Thats the way I read it anyway.. Brake application is sub optimal as I didnt adjust the master pressure. Very easy to lock up the tyres otherwise so tentative application with my shoddy G920.. likewise power which is hard to modulate with my pedals



And last but not least steering inputs. Only a few times did I have to go mental and that was self inflicted. On the straights only the usual motion which could definitely benefit from some FFB setting dialling in on my end.



In conclusion from my perspective, no issues to report.
Hope that helps.

 

@Sunscreen which telemetry app is this?

 

Hi chonk, its a freebie and extremely good! It says for PC1 but works for both PC2 and AMS2. Follow the guides or reach back out to me and you'll have no issues setting it up. In AMS 2 I set shared memory to PC2 and it works... Link below.
pCARS Profiler (Telemetry & Analysis) [PC ONLY] [v1.6] (projectcarsgame.com)

And a useful conversation about telemetry..

 

thank you, I'll take a look. this is the precursor to RST I think no? I have an AMS2 license for RST but there's something about the thickness of the lines in the UI that really bugs me. But this looks much cleaner. I will take a look.

 

Im not sure where it fits into telemetry lineage, but the crispness and flexibility of the software is what appeals to me. Its highly customizable and I also like how you can select a point on the track map then zoom in on the telemetry you have selected. I give it a 10/10 which I hardly ever do..

 

Yeah that looks very similar to the performance window that I experienced. Out of interest, I found on my trusty G920 (bought for me by my loving and patient wife) really benefited from some FFB adjustment to dial out some of the feedback of transient short term grip loss caused by aquaplaning. It made the car just that little bit more stable in those wet conditions, and the feedback lost wasnt particularly necessary for performance. A worthwhile tradeoff in my view in order to achieve consistency and avoid driver induced oscillation. A mixture of reducing the low noise amplification (cant remember the name of the setting) and also increasing the damper setting. Nothing dramatic but just enough to balance the wheel a bit better..

 

Interesting but I doubt very much whether that is using default setups? When I skid I lose the back end immediately. Maybe the issue isnt so much with the physics of the game but with the default setups .... I rarely both to change set ups much at all between dry or wet tracks as I dont have the knowledge or interest to mess around with settings too much.

I used to do all that with PCars2 but not any more. PCars2 is great though in that it has Loose and Stable setups for each car. None of that in this game, the default setups provided leave a lot to be desired.

The devs should really provide decent setups for each car to enable casual players to drive fairly successfully in low grip conditions if that is part of their game. A lot of players arent into modifying car setups. Especially if they want newbies to play without having a degree in automotive race engineering ....