Formula-Retro drivability

Without digging out Ethan the Brabham drivers quote I was wondering if we can beat our previous tt times? anyone?
If the cars are improved at all recently, then it should be easy to improve even if there not fixed fully. My TTs were done on default so if default is now better I should be able to tell. I will try at some point in the next few days.

 

You are assuming the all changes to the tires will have no effect? Plus whatever else has been tweaked in the background we don't know about?

 

? Not at all, on the contrary.
Im saying if the car has improved (as some have said and others feel not) I will/should be able to tell from my TT times ie default to default
Whether diff, tyres, any or all together other changes that have been made!

Thats why I said I would not refer to the real racing drivers thoughts on the diff and also how the real car handles corners irl

 

I am a fan, not such a critic of these cars

 

Great. I just wasn't sure where your conclusion that they should be faster now after a variety of updates. The changes could go either way or cancel each other out and produce more or less the same lap times.

 

I had a go with a setting closer to yours, and while I found it tricky at first, it's definitely faster. Much faster - as in more than a second faster on Silverstone '75 (with chicane). That was good fun!

On a side note, I turned up the AI skill level a few notches and added a healthy dollop of anger, only to find that while they certainly drive with more enthusiasm, they're still very reluctant to actually overtake.

 

For me, the clutch diff now vs before, is better, because the lowest setting is looser than before. It's still not enough, but I can actually get separation on the grass/pavement test sometimes when it is set to full loose.

I will say that the BT44 seems way better than before. I remember it being by far the most unpredictable, hard to drive variant. The Lotus was faster, mostly because it was more predictable over crests. The BT44 now seems far more settled and reasonable.

 

Hi Internernal,
Thats nice to hear, I read a few posts earlier (here and thought I may tryTT at inter h, as response to my eariler post.

Im hopping the Brabham is better and like I said, should be easy to tell difference.

(Will be online in 15m) May just put a retro race up same track should be good.
Just finding it hard not to love the Procar!!!
edit your setting suggestions for Babham same as above post?

 

Just having a blast trying to catch Andy's time.
Car is certainly different. Turns much better and feels more natural.

(without trying to find the post) First thing I noticed when lifting off throttle the "lag" that I mentioned in engine braking taking effect that we spoke about many posts ago has almost gone and I would say the "interia" adjustment made in recent update would account for that, and its more natural/normal response on lift off. Also helping approach and corner turn in. imo

Noticable to me at least in this (just cut it short to reply) default retest is less actual front tyre grip. When previously chasing Andys ghost there are turns that I definatally now have less f/ grip .
Mid toHigh speed grip is lower
Overall car is more of a blast now and maybe my old favorite may get me out the Pro car for a few hours
Old time is in pic I have not yet topped it tonight in this build with the grip difference at front but not tried many laps

It would be interesting to hear Andy"s take on his time in the Mclaren and him trying to improve it.

worth a try!

Agreed but I would add
I find the consistent repetition gives me a good feel for the car.
Nice to hear the grass/diff differences are showing

 

Me too
TT is testing me, Temped to add some front wing but that would render default test pointless.
Car/class will be more fun to race though and hopefully more takers..
will have to rerun some races! sometime

 

The Lotus was my favorite but it’s the slowest of the 3 to me now. The Mclaren and Brabham are better driving cars to me now. Odd since I vastly preferred the Lotus before.



by the way, not quite sure what to make of it yet, but since I like to run a tight power side and loose coast side I’m running 20Nm preload, 2 clutches, 45 power and 90 coast.... at Bathurst I find if I am on the power over the crests, the cars stay stable. Makes sense since the tires are locked, but maybe since some level of differentiation is happening it’s not immediately heaving the car sideways. It’s even pretty predictable over the big crest between turn 1 and turn 2 now, as long you have at least one click of rear df over front.

Lastly I find lower tire pressures help quite a lot with grip.

 

YesI had used lower in some of our races and other setting changes, with pos effect
In my default TT test its Med to High speed grip that car seems to have lost, (amended my post above to show. 3rd/4th gears corners specifically.
T1,T2 and down the hill I can still leave the Andy"s Mclaren behind on most attempts. Mid sections of track he's away!! . Not knocking it, its just what it does now.

Mm I know you spent a lot of time in it. cant really compare here as I really got hooked on the Brab. I will try the others a little latter when time allows. certainly the Mclaren. Seems the lotus has drawn the short straw on improvements.

I will maybe try this track in the Brab maybe Mclaren
A few races and adjustments to look forward I think. see if some of the old names pop up online to join.

 

Ref Brabham Its closer

 

I think I did a hotlap in the McLaren around 1.0 release time so quite a while ago! I'm not playing AMS2 much now, just retesting when an update brings some physics changes.

 

Problem with the lower tire pressure is it seems to hurt top speed quite a bit, and most of the 70s era tracks are definitely high speed flow tracks. Spielberg, Interlagos 76, Imola 72, Kyalami... all pretty high speed circuits. I find I keep having to bump up the tire pressure and deal with the car driving awful as a result.

More frustratingly, the car still drove better with the geared diff. I hope they keep working on it.

 

Differential Tuning Discussion
Mmm reread around 25 pages and the post on different threads.Including your informative above.

Diffelephant in the room smaller than early August, not just for retros.
Brabham is better so I will enjoy the improvements and look forward

 

Love the new update but with the Formula Retro Mclaren I didn't see any updates to it again. I absoulutely love driving these cars but still am frustrated that I can't attack tracks like I want to. When I'm driving the Nurburgring every time the car gets airborne when the car land it just shoots sideways, I've messed with the diff, I've engaged the clutch, just can't believe these cars would have behaved that way. I'm hoping this has not been dropped as an item that needs to be looked at. Their certainly better then when the first arrived but they still need work.

EDIT: Went back and ran the same setup with the Brabham and it's so much better then the Mclaren......