Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

I find that no matter which version of Default or custom file, dialing in the steering response (for natural oversteer response) is mostly a matter of finding proper balance in ffb Damping setting (AMS2). In other words, if we take some time to try different levels of Damping, there is a point where the steering response makes sense. Different cars may still require slight adjustment to Damping setting.

 

The Damper setting is one that I'm probably most clueless about. However, I've had a good run today using Kuku's file and been very impressed so I'm going to stop fiddling and see what my thoughts are after racking up some hours with it. That'll give me some time to do some research on simple things...like what the Damper setting does

 

For me, I use Damping as the primary means of Wheel Response Speed Control. Other settings may impact or offset Damping to some extent but, Damping has much to do with achieving proper control by informing us of what the car is doing and allowing us to react as needed.

Too little damping applied allows the steering to overshoot / overreact. In extreme cases, it may feel as though the car is control, not the driver. On the other hand, too much Damping applied slows steering response to the point where it feels like the steering is lagging behind, slow to respond to inputs, feeling like we have to force the steering wheel to respond.

When Damping is applied optimally, the steering is stable (no oscillation or overshoot), Self-Aligning Torque is easily manageable (we can catch slides effectively), we can judge grip-loss more effectively, we feel in tune with the car and the process is most natural. When it feels like the car is almost driving itself (relatively speaking), Damping level is about right.

 

Thanks for taking the time to explain that so well Dean.

 

Sometimes where you least expected....
Last night I tried to increase "steering sensitivity" to 100... just by that, the sterring reaction are more in line to what I like (I always struggle to turn in AMS2 vs rF2) and the FFB changed dramatically... no FFB changes, huge difference.
The cars are more reactive, the front load (car turning) was much more in line to what I want.

There’s the right mix there somewhere...

 

Yes it makes a difference, I settled on 75 for my wheelbase, it may be in part a way to compensate for a relaxation in Lfb effect on the rack , I implemented as a solution to oscillation.

 

Aris (Kuno's head of physics) has a video explaining how to adjust damping.
For him (and works for me too in all sims) the damping must be just high enough to allow (on a straigh line, hans off the wheel) for a small upset in driving wheel to have auto correction, not a loss of control (wheel going left-right in a runaway mode).

 

Yes, I'll certainly drop it a bit and 75-85 should be about right.

BTW, right now, I'm using my own version of Thompson V1 file, mainly because is the only one (apart from Default+) that makes steering really light under full breaks lockups - that's what is felt in a real car when we suddenly completly loose turning ability.

I'll try your file and Daniel's in the same situations.

 

Then they won't like my files I'll post tomorrow. For me, getting lighter when braking is not as relevant as it is for you. I then have too much loss of control with the car in a simulation. The G-forces are missing like in reality. And then there's the physics of Reiza. A good example is always the porsche GTE vs porsche GT3. GTE will simulate them grip loss much better than GT3. My goal is to have excellent control of the car and the track at all times with the options available and to simulate it as well as possible. I'm not trying to reach reality at all costs because there will never be any simulation. In the end it should be fun for people without having to deal with endless settings

 

Ffb is so divisive- basically the holy grail is if you can feel the limit of grip with your wheel and control it successfully with confidence then that's what we are all looking for, the rest is just nice extras(but I like driving on marbles to test) Seat of pants (sop) remember pc2? feeling is missing from the base game ffb in my opinion. The files on here just transform this sim and I'm looking forward to the next one even though I said I'm done..

 

Hi guys! I think my decision to sort the Customs Files by force was the right one. You have given us a lot of positive feedback, thank you very much. Now I can post you 4 new V60 files, there are big and very good improvements for these files. The feel for the cars and the tracks has been significantly improved again. The files have been tested and adjusted on different tracks and with different cars with the standard setups. The 4 Customs are again sorted by power so that it will be easy for users to find something suitable.

The 1st file is for high force dds only, tested with 12-13Nm peaks. The 2nd file is for belt bases and for dd bases up to 8Nm, tested with 6-8Nm peaks. The 3rd file is again for high force dds, tested at 12-13Nm peaks but with less road feedback for people with additional hardware (motion or tactile) or for people who want it a bit smoother. The 4th file is only tested for belt bases of 2-5Nm with 4Nm peaks.
These V60 files are all based on the V50 files but with some modifications and improvements. I deliberately left the flat spot at 0 again. If desired, this effect can be increased in the file (flatspot_scale 0.0)


Change log for the V60 files:

1. The biggest change and improvement is the front axle, now you can feel the "front bite". Many users complain about the floating feeling in Ams2, it was always a negative effect for me too. This hovering on the track in the corners is the missing (or too weak) integration of the front axle. I was able to correct it even better with the V60 files. The front axle can now be felt much better, the tires will "bite" into the track - a fantastic new feeling at the front with many positive consequences.
2. On the curbs and on the track there is more feedback from the front axle.
3. Chassis stability has been increased.
4. The cornering stability has increased extremely. Very high cornering speeds are possible without losing grip or slipping.
5. Adjusted in-game values for the files
6. Adjusted base values for the files

Finally, I would like to say thank you to a few people. Maybe it will be my last customs, also depends on the future physics development of Reiza. Thanks to Karsten Hvidberg for his FFB physics. Thank you for the many positive comments from you and the good tips (Alegunner 68, riccx, theo, Aza340 and many others. And of course thanks to Mikk Schleiffer with whom I tested many of my customs.
As always, I wish you a lot of fun with the files and fast laps on the track



Best of Karsten Hvidberg V60 from Daniel for dd Bases 10-30Nm

Best of cards Hvidberg V60 from Daniel for belt and dd bases 5-8Nm

Best of Karsten Hvidberg V60 from Daniel for dd bases 10-30Nm (Motion-tactile file)

Best of Karsten Hvidberg V60 from Daniel for belt bases 2-5Nm

 

THX Daniel, again "Pervers Geil!". I appreciate your work!

 

Hi Daniel,
I'd just let you know that your custom FFB files have truly transformed this sim to me. I was about to uninstall AMS2 (again) because I simply couldn't feel connected to the car, track and the sim at all, then I've read a post on RD, mentioning your files, and I tried V50 two days ago. I was blown away by what you have achieved! Now, with V60 you were able to top that, and I can say now that the FFB in AMS2 is where I always wanted to be. Thank you very much, you just saved this sim to me!

 

Anyone using a gear driven wheel like the G27, which of Daniel's files do you recommend?

 

The 4th file Dennis, 2-5Nm

 

Great custom file! Thanks to Daniel.

Any advice for the per vehicle FFB? most of the time I set 70%
Thanks

 

My tip for these customs: set the power of a car (gain) directly on the base. It is better to leave the vehicle-specific ffb in the game at 100%, otherwise the (gain) will change in the game. This can result in clipping when increasing or loss of FFB detail when decreasing. But of course you can also change the vehicle-specific ffb, find your preferred setting, as long as you feel good about it.

 

@Danielkart
If you know: I cannot undertand the (lfb rack_effect 0.175) part of this line:
(rack_effect (blend 0.5 rack_effect (lfb rack_effect 0.175)))
Shouldn't be an operator like "+" or "*" there? (or is it "*" by default)

I like this V60 but I've been removing and changing a few "smooth" expressions to make it even more agile and sensitive to track information and still trying to figure out how can I make a sharper "load" when turning the wheel near the center.
It's interesting comparing Porsche GTE@Long Beach in both AMS2 and rF2.

 

My guess would be that lfb is actually a function that takes rack_effect and 0.175 as parameters, but it is just a guess.

 

Could be a custom function but, apart from spring, I cannot see any other specific sim racing function (and spring could be just a generic math formula to implement...welll... a spring! )

I've already come across the programming language used in this files, but lost the reference. Does anyone have the name of the programming language?