Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

Discussion in 'Automobilista 2 - General Discussion' started by Karsten Hvidberg, May 30, 2020.

  1. Xzanman

    Xzanman Well-Known Member

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    And thats the problem, it is very easy to contantly keep messing with parameters constantly searching for the perfect FFB and then it gets to the point of second guessing yourself and going to more and more decimal places with each setting.

    I went through it with the original Rfactor. With Rfactor 2 the FFB works out of the box and there are few in game parameters to change, this to me is how it should be.

    I do use Kuku's tune, because the default and default+ options are simply not where they should be.

    There is nothing wrong with fine tuning FFB files, but at some point it will lead to madness......
     
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  2. RimasLeon

    RimasLeon New Member

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    What in game and wheel settings do you run?
     
  3. momorious

    momorious Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    The oscillations happened no matter which in-game settings I used, and I dont use particulary high settings with a gainsetting of just 35 combined with FX 10, rest 0.
     
  4. Danielkart

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    Hey buddy!I have ridden your custom and it is excellent for your 6Nm of power at the base.Yes, for higher powers it starts to vibrate but since you wrote it for your base (power) it doesn't matter.(Momorious) I don't think you drive all cars with it, because I know you only drive certain cars in Ams2.For me, and I know for Alegunner too, all cars are important in Ams2, from the old ones to the new ones, not just GT3/4 or GT1.I also think that in this custom thread everyone has the right to post as many files as they want.I also know that you defend Fanatec extremely and you also consider their settings to be perfect (regarding FEI and INT values) I can give you my last point of view on this.The change to Simucube2 Pro showed me that my settings for the dd1 were also correct because they run almost identically well (Simucube settings only a little damping and friction otherwise everything is set to 0 or switched off) If I drive with your settings for the dd1 I have2 totally different customs.FEI is a huge amp, so on the custom you had to (set scrub_scale to 0) and take (tear_scale) higher.But that's wrong, because it has nothing to do with tire chafing, you simply feel the tire tear stronger and the internal amplifier (FEI) of the base.I know you have your own opinion and I have mine, but moving to Simucube has confirmed my opinion.So Alegunner I can tell you that your file is excellent for your strength a great work
     
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  5. momorious

    momorious Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    So you say you KNOW which cars I drove and tested the custom with?
    Are you a magician?

    I tried the following cars (OF COURSE its not possbile to drive EVERY car, lol):
    - BME M4 GT4
    - BMW M6 GT3
    - BMW M8 GTE
    - Brabham BT62
    - Cadillac DPi-VT
    - Formula Ultimate Gen2
    - Formula USA 2023
    - McLaren 720S GT3
    - Porsche 911 GT3 Cup (992)
    - Porsche 911 RSR 74
    - Sigma P1 G5

    And the oscillations happened on EVERY of these cars and its a fairly broadf range of different cars to be able to say that the new Custom from Ale is dangerous for DDs (but good for his CSW).

    And I wont repeat the discussion about FEI again. We had that in the past already. FEI at low values kills FFB details, introduces latency and oscillations and a FEI setting of 20, which you recommend, is therefore just bad.
     
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  6. jtortosen

    jtortosen Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Hello Kuku! Yesterday I've returned to customs and I start with yours (as far as I can remember, it was the closest to rfactor ffb). I like a lot, but 2 questions or issues (Apart from this, I will do a round of tests with other customs):

    Sometimes yes, sometimes no, I can feel the rubber of the tire when you turn the steering wheel, how it deforms turning on the asphalt. But I can't reproduce the same feel that I have in my mind about how it felt the last time I used customs/rfactor2. Reallistically, rfactor 2 has a synthetic feel of the shape that on the real world you don't, but: What I can tune to get more prominent deforming feel?

    Maybe these properties?:
    (scrub_frq_scale 0.86)
    (tear_frq_scale 1.7) 1.6


    What range do I use? other properties?

    And, the other, is an issue with heavy oscillations. On stationary or minimal movement, the steering oscillates heavily if I dont get it tight.

    Info: Simagic Alpha at 100% forces 15 nm (all filters at 0 like yours to try to replicate, usuarlly with 10% damp and friction), 65 ingame, 35 fx, 10lf and 40 damper.
     
  7. dMASS

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    (scrub_frq_scale) adjusts the frequency of the tire scrub vibe, lower value will be more gritty/rough
    (scrub_scale) adjusts the strength, higher value will come through more

    not sure what tear_frq_scale does
     
  8. jtortosen

    jtortosen Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    idk, I copied from older post from kuku, but don't know if is the poperties for the effect I described xD
     
  9. dMASS

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    I think they are the parameters for the effect you're describing, atleast to my limited knowledge, but there may be more to play with. do you want more strength out of tire scrub feeling? or a lower/higher frequency?
     
  10. Kuku

    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    Hi

    try increasing tyre stretch feel values evenly .
    front_tyre_stretch_feel 0.06)
    (rear_tyre_stretch_feel 0.033)

    the oscillation is very strange , specially with another Simagic,

    you may need to lower center_full values , due to the extra strength of the Alpha , or maybe even lower total force in software .
     
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  11. dMASS

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    evenly like this? meaning if you double the value of the front then double the value of the rear?
    front_tyre_stretch_feel 0.12)
    (rear_tyre_stretch_feel 0.066)
     
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  12. Kuku

    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    yes that keeps the current ratio of balance. But it’s worth remembering it used to be the other way around , with the rear higher , but I felt it was exaggerated rear since update .
     
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  13. dMASS

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    thanks, i'm happy with it the way it is but just trying to learn
     
  14. spyke70

    spyke70 New Member

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    For me this is the best with Simucube 2 Pro

    # NAME: rFuktor 5.0.1 - By Karsten with Shadak & Panos
    # Best of Karsten Hvidberg
    # Custom force FFB File from Daniel V70 (Motion-Tactile File) Spyke mod

    Rim 300mm
    Lancer Evo ffb 77%
    20230807_125757.JPG 20230807_125640.JPG
     

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  15. Inkta

    Inkta Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Hello, this has probably been asked a thousand times but, how would you guys create and enhanced feel of understeer? basically I want the FFB to drop when understeer kicks in.

    Can someone explain how?
     
  16. spyke70

    spyke70 New Member

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    Edit il ffb_custom file
    over_steer_scale
    under_steer_scale
     
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  17. John Manetti

    John Manetti Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Hi, thanks for your work.
    Can you point out at the top of the text file that it's only valid for CSW2.5?

    What are the parameters in playing CSW2.5 with your custom FFB?
     
  18. Alegunner68

    Alegunner68 Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Cheers John, what do you mean? wheel settings?
     
  19. The-SillyAk

    The-SillyAk New Member

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    Does anyone have a Moza R9 Automobilista 2 custom FFB set up for both Pre and Post July update.

    I can't seem to get the FFB to feel correct with the July update.
     
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  20. torsteinvh

    torsteinvh Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Hmm...
    Tried this file yesterday on my DD1, and the wheel starts oscillating if I let go...
    911 GT3 / Oulton Park
    Your Fanalab settings, only change is that I adjusted FF to 75.
    Not I big deal, I can just keep my hands on the wheel, but one of your earlier versions (I think maybe your first one based on Danielkart´s file) was rock solid...
     

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