Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

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  1. Dean Ogurek

    Dean Ogurek "Love the Simulation You're Dreaming In." AMS2 Club Member

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    .sdrawkcab daer ,trams eB

    Doesn't seem to help . . . o_O
    :p
     
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  2. Laccoo

    Laccoo New Member

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    Hello!

    How can I view or copy the factory "Default+" FFB setting?
    Thanks !
     
  3. Racinglegend1234

    Racinglegend1234 AMS2 wiki founder AMS2 Club Member

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    Don’t think you can
     
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  4. Dean Ogurek

    Dean Ogurek "Love the Simulation You're Dreaming In." AMS2 Club Member

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    The Default / Default+ presets are locked. I wouldn't mind having a customizable version of Default+ as a solid base to work from.
     
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  5. Laccoo

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    YES Best preset !!!
     
  6. Pokuston

    Pokuston New Member

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    Hi everybody,

    I'm late to the party, but anyway...
    Please find attached the Default and Default+ ffb files for multiple game versions (1.4.x and 1.5.x) and complete list of FFB functions and variables names (reversed from ams2 executable).

    Zip archives includes:
    ffb_custom.txt - default custom ffb
    ffb_immersive.txt - Default+
    ffb_legacy.txt - legacy?
    ffb_raw.txt - Default
    ffb_specialize.rg - predefined values for vehicles

    All FFB files are hardcoded inside PHYSICSPERSISTENT.bff file and you can extract them via PCarsTool with command:
    Code:
    PCarsTools_x64.exe pak -i c:\path_to\PHYSICSPERSISTENT.bff -g "c:\path_to\Automobilista 2"
    You can also find them inside ams2 boot files.

    Happy exploring! ;)

    P.S.: Please Reiza, give us proper documentation for ffb syntax and save my sanity, I really don't want to rewrite all the functions from vftables, huge structs and highly optimized x64 disassembly code ;)
     

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  7. Laccoo

    Laccoo New Member

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    THX !!!:)
     
  8. Laccoo

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    It doesn't work... isn't there a how to? :)
     
  9. Kuku

    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    I’ve had these files for some time as it seemed to be a door left open somewhere, but I respect that Reiza had no intention to make open and it’s not something they should be having to manage if they don’t want to .
    Thus support or documentation shouldn’t be expected . and sharing without permission isn’t a good way to get that .
     
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  10. Alegunner68

    Alegunner68 Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Are we really going there? That's one layer too far down the rabbit hole for me.
     
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  11. Joaquim Pereira

    Joaquim Pereira Well-Known Member

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    Reverse engeneering to make a copy or better competitive product in the market is less acceptable* (or even forbidden by law) than reverse engeneering to improve the product itself, more so for a product (Madness engine) that's supposed to be open to community contributions.
    FFB in Madness Engine is the pinnacle of this concept.

    * - I've buyed tools from Aliexpress that are, almost for certain, a copy of similar products designed elsewhere (Japan, Europe, US), but not available in Portugal. My moral standards accept that easily.
     
  12. Danielkart

    Danielkart Well-Known Member

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    Hey guys!

    The changes to the Customs V400 created new, very good options.Now I was able to write new customs very quickly with just a few interventions (more detailed information will follow). That's why there will be 6 new V400 customs.This will cover practically every base and every power.This will then give:

    V400 1-3 NM
    V400 4-5 NM
    V400 6-8 NM
    V400 9-10 NM
    V400 11-13 NM
    V400 14-20 NM

    V400 2-20NM Rally

    See you soon and have a nice weekend:)
     
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  13. Laccoo

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    Which setting pulls the steering wheel in the opposite direction when the car skids?

    THX !
     
  14. john Ellis

    john Ellis The Rectifier of Names AMS2 Club Member

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    Modders need to reverse engineer a simracer's performance attributes by editing the values labeled under "Countersteer" and "Reaction Time". There's a lot of controversy over whether we should go there.
     
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  15. Joaquim Pereira

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    The wrong settings!! :D A car doesn't pull steering wheel in the opposite direction ;)
     
  16. Danielkart

    Danielkart Well-Known Member

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    Good morning !
    Since I'll be traveling a lot for work in the next few weeks, I won't have much time for my hobby of sim racing. Unfortunately, I can't wait until the next Reiza update. But I think it won't change fundamentally like it did with 1.5. That's why I'm going to post the V400 to you today. See you soon
     
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    Danielkart Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys !
    Here are the promised V400 Customs.The key to a good FFB lies mainly in the different forces involved.How are these forces processed and how are these forces output and how do these forces ultimately reach the steering axle and your wheel.

    I've taken another step forward with these V400 files.These files do not require any damping either in the game or on the base.LFB in the game is no longer necessary (not even with weak bases).In addition, you no longer need to adjust any friction or inertia on the base.The V400 Custom will do all of this for you.In summary, this will make it much easier with the settings in the game and at the base.This will also make it easier for beginners who want to enter the world of custom files.Simply select the appropriate file (1-7) and that's it.

    An example:
    Personally, I use a Simucube 2 Pro with 25NM.Now my personal sweet spot is around 11-13NM depending on the car and route.So for me that means File 5 (11-13NM) is the best option for me.This is how you should proceed to find your preferred file.

    The changes to the V400 files brought very good improvements and new possibilities to write new files with little effort.This means that there is now a suitable file for practically every base and every power.Total 6 files and 1 rally file.

    1. File V400 1-3Nm
    2. File V400 4-5Nm
    3. File V400 6-8Nm
    4. File V400 9-10Nm
    5. File V400 11-13Nm
    6. File V400 15-18Nm
    7. File V400 Rally 1-20Nm

    Change log V400:
    1. New customs written to cover many bases and powers
    2. New in-game settings adapted to the V400 (recommended settings can be seen at the beginning of the file)
    3. New base settings (recommended settings for different bases can be seen at the beginning of the file)
    4. The middle and the center feeling have been improved again (easily felt with weak bases)
    5. Vibrations and oscillations reduced again
    6. New file written for very high forces 15-18Nm without causing vibrations or oscillations
    7. Very harmonious and even power development to achieve as little clipping as possible but as much FFB as possible
    8. These changes have sharpened the FFB.The suspension, the road surface, the curbs and the feedback from the tires can be felt even more intensely.A fantastic feeling with the cars on the different tracks

    As usual, the flat spot is set to 0, which can be changed in the file according to personal preference at (Flatspot_scale 0. My recommended range is approximately 0 - 0.05The 7th file is the rally file for all bases and all power ranges.This means for Formula Dirt Cars / Cart Kross Cars / RX Cars / Trucks and for all go-karts.Be sure to change the in-game values of these cars.These values are specified at the beginning of the file.

    As always, I wish you quick rounds and lots of fun with the files

    The files sorted from low to high strength:
    1. File Best of Karsten Hvidberg V400 by Daniel for all bases and forces 1-3Nm
    2. File Best of Karsten Hvidberg V400 by Daniel for all bases and forces 4-5Nm
    3. File Best of Karsten Hvidberg V400 by Daniel for all bases and forces 6-8Nm
    4. File Best of Karsten Hvidberg V400 by Daniel for all bases and forces 9-10Nm
    5. File Best of Karsten Hvidberg V400 by Daniel for all bases and forces 11-13Nm
    6. File Best of Karsten Hvidberg V400 by Daniel for all bases and forces 15-18Nm
    7. File Best of Karsten Hvidberg V400 Rally by Daniel for all bases and forces 1-20Nm
     

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    Racinglegend1234 AMS2 wiki founder AMS2 Club Member

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    I love your files. The last one worked really well in the beta and this one will hopefully work even better
     
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  19. Joaquim Pereira

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    What's new:
    • Adjusted overall grip feel (before, gain slider had a strong negative impact when set too low)
    • Improved longitudinal weight transfer
    • Increased minimum grip feel
    • Added (back) independent/direct scrubs effects
    • New in-game dials suggestions: 70-00-35-10
    • Adjusted and tested on Moza R12 (other wheelbases may require further fine tuning from users)
    Still to improve/implement:
    • Bottoming out effect, to be on a par with sound fx. Depends on Reiza, but expected to come :)
    • ABS/TC effects, perhaps?
    • Oscillations, hands-off the wheel (doesn't affect driving, that's your fault! :) )
     
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  20. Canard

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    Those last files are incredible.
    V300 is the most realistic FFB I've ever felt period.
    I tweaked the over/under-steer a little and thought to myself this is it, no more tweaking, just racing.

    V400 adds a lot of amazing details under light stress, but sometime, with certain cars, is more vague with heavy forces. For the record I use FEI@80 in fanatec settings. I don't think I'm clipping, those cars with vague feedback have not the strongest steering (other with heavier steering are fine), but I can't be 100% sure.
    Is there a scientific way to tell anyway ? I don't trust the ingame FFB graph to provide accurate data on that.

    The most glaring issue I have is that this V300 "power window":
    Suitable for all Bases from 8 to 25Nm

    Is bloody perfect for my CSL DD, just the right amount of forces.

    V400 power windows are different and therefore I'm not sure if it is just a matter of toning down a few main dials to make it even better than V300, of if there is more to it.

    I hope Alegunner68 will have a look into it, cuz I found out he always managed to make the last few tweaks that turned your files into magic :)

    In any case thanks a lot for you work.
     
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