Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

Discussion in 'Automobilista 2 - General Discussion' started by Karsten Hvidberg, May 30, 2020.

  1. Stakanov

    Stakanov Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    @newtonpg but what excuses ;), of course you could have written curbs instead of kerbs:p, but the problem is still me as I suck at the English language and I use Google Translator :( ... sometimes on other occasions it made me risk my life because it translated the meaning of what the'interlocutor told me, we argued, but the funny thing is that I also remained convinced that I was right :). . . thank you again.
     
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  2. EcoBrum

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    @Stakanov, maybe the problem on curb are presente becouse in details are missing this lines of code... :whistle:

    (fl_details (spring fl_details_pos 80000 0.1))
    (fr_details (spring rl_details_pos 80000 0.1))
    (rl_details (spring rl_details_pos 80000 0.1))
    (rr_details (spring rr_details_pos 80000 0.1))


    also, perhaps it is better to lower the spring to a lower value from 80000 to 50000, evaluate it yourself!!! :)
     
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  3. Stakanov

    Stakanov Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Thank you, maybe you're right, evidently during the cleaning and publication of the files I missed these 4 lines ...

    EDIT:
    The corrcts missing lines are this, you are right!!!!

    (fl_details_pos fl_details_pos)
    (fr_details_pos fr_details_pos)
    (rl_details_pos rl_details_pos)
    (rr_details_pos rr_details_pos)
    (fl_details_pos (+ fl_details_pos (* (- fl_details fl_details_pos) (power 0.001 dt))))
    (fr_details_pos (+ fr_details_pos (* (- fr_details fr_details_pos) (power 0.001 dt))))
    (rl_details_pos (+ rl_details_pos (* (- rl_details rl_details_pos) (power 0.001 dt))))
    (rr_details_pos (+ rr_details_pos (* (- rr_details rr_details_pos) (power 0.001 dt))))
    (fl_details_pos (max fl_details_pos fl_details))
    (fr_details_pos (max fr_details_pos fr_details))
    (rl_details_pos (max rl_details_pos rl_details))
    (rr_details_pos (max rr_details_pos rr_details))
    (fl_details (spring fl_details_pos 80000 0.1))
    (fr_details (spring rl_details_pos 80000 0.1))
    (rl_details (spring rl_details_pos 80000 0.1))
    (rr_details (spring rr_details_pos 80000 0.1))

    I'll do the tests tonight to evaluate the amount of spring to apply and replace the first file published here ...

    thanks for the info :)
     
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  4. Racinglegend1234

    Racinglegend1234 AMS2 wiki founder AMS2 Club Member

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    If I want to try this, where in your file should I put them?
     
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  5. Stakanov

    Stakanov Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Missing lines.jpg
    Here if i not mistake start line is 1040 .... but insert whithout the symbol #
     
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  6. Dmand

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    This helped fix the hard steering in the center of the wheel. Thanks
     
  7. Racinglegend1234

    Racinglegend1234 AMS2 wiki founder AMS2 Club Member

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    Hello again. I added the details code and it help quite a bit, but the steering is still very stiff when I choose 0.5 instead of 1.0. I tried the F-U G2 and Cadillac LMDh in the beta around Kansai and Adelaide and what I noticed was stiff steering and a lot of clipping when going over kerbs through S1 at Kansai. I also got this graph which I think seems wrong since it seems to not have everything even
    upload_2024-5-27_20-28-10.png
    Edit: the F-USA 2023 around Adelaide feels quite nice
     
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  8. Dmand

    Dmand Active Member

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    Yes some cars are very light on the FFB while others really make you work. Perhaps the "weight section" needs to be recalculated?

    F-jr is very light on the FFB while F-high tech feels a little stiff but pretty good
     
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    Racinglegend1234 AMS2 wiki founder AMS2 Club Member

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    I would think so. Maybe the multiplier needs to be lower for heavier cars since I tried the V8 Supercar and it was very hard
     
  10. Dmand

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    I'm very curious what you will be able to do with this file. Can't wait to find out. Let me know if you need a tester.

    I really liked what you did with turning the damper slider into suspension scale
     
  11. Racinglegend1234

    Racinglegend1234 AMS2 wiki founder AMS2 Club Member

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    This is a good reference by @Peter Stefani which shows that I mainly get the heavy forces which makes the lower forces be felt less.
    upload_2024-5-27_21-10-27.jpeg
     
  12. Kuku

    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    I won’t be modifying or tuning this atmos file , i have no need , as perfectly happy with what i have .
    Just interested in if adding more segments to tyre resistance can be beneficial.
     
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  13. Danielkart

    Danielkart Well-Known Member

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    I'll say something about it soon because I adapted my next file exactly with these tire resistances. No, not with Stakanov's idea, still with Karsten's 5.01 but with my individual changes it will be my own interpretation. More information to follow
     
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  14. Stakanov

    Stakanov Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Nobody MUST tune it, I just need some feedback that is kindly arriving and if it doesn't come from those who don't want it then amen... in any case the file just goes balanced by me not by other ... at most the solution is simple, i bring the values back to the original one and we're done, I'm fine with it and I have my starting point ... changing the scales has enhanced some aspects and covered others ... but maybe you're right I should have keep it to myself now ...

    This evening I have some commitments or rather personal problems to resolve, so please put the test file aside for a moment and pick it up again tomorrow evening... If you don't want to waste time I'll do it myself ... thanks anyway
     
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  15. Danielkart

    Danielkart Well-Known Member

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    Stakanov you misunderstand me, I won't say anything about your file or your ideas because it is your creation. And I know how your boys can react and I have absolutely no desire for it to end like it did 2 years ago. I don't need this insults and aggression anymore, so I will absolutely refrain from saying anything about your files. I will only say something about my file because it is also about the tire resistances, nothing more and nothing less
    THANKS for your File
     
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  16. Stakanov

    Stakanov Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I think you plagiarize things... I wasn't talking to you but to Kuku who was rightly responding to others, and I wasn't criticizing him either, I just think it's enough to say I won't do tune it... but then what aggression are you talking about on my part? But are we out of our minds?
     
  17. Dmand

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    I didn't mean to start anything here. I just thought the tradition was that someone releases a file and others use it as it is or tune it and share with others what they have done with it.

    I wasn't around in the glory days when this thread started, and i have been enjoying files from all the creators and also the sub creators that modify the files of others to suite there own tastes like i do.
     
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  18. Kuku

    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    In the early days we were only dealing with one source and format from Karsten, and that’s what i stay aligned too.

    Sub creations with heavy modifications fall out of my preference of function and trying to work on something that’s so different in settings and execution while trying to maintain high levels of competitiveness with a busy community racing schedule is difficult as it requires a lot of re-adjusting and time .

    But it’s always interesting to follow developments and see if there’s something new that can be applied to the original design.
     
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  19. Stakanov

    Stakanov Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    @Kuku but in fact you are right, I was replying to you but you didn't say anything that you couldn't say and neither did I....
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    Frankly, I don't even want to understand this madness of certain people, because the situation is serious and shameful and I reported it.

    Someone can't see ghosts, or be paranoid... you can be wrong but you don't talk to me about other people and accuse someone of assault out of nowhere or imply that I'm part of it or that I'm a gang leader, I repeat out of nowhere... the stupid discussions here everyone has had them, but they are not portrayed as crimes and in order to do so anyone is involved unfairly... and it is also said that they are referring to phantom events that occurred 2 years ago and not with me among other things... I think that someone has problems... in two years he could say that I made this discussion... or he could say it to someone else accusing him of assault... among other things two years ago he said "son of a good mother " to others and it seems normal to me that they responded ... but I, who had something to do with it, would actually say that I was silent far too much as well as absent ... You're done with me I won't tolerate anything else ... AMS2 it's a game you are reality!!!

    "I know how your boys can react and I have absolutely no desire for it to end like it did 2 years ago. I don't need this insults and aggression anymore."
     
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  20. formulafan1994

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    hey stakanov, i was wondering if your ffb file would work for the fanatec dd1 podium series... i mean, i heard that you were still working on it, and there were some files missing from it. heard good things though, that your previous files were good.
     
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