Official General AI Comments & Discussion Topic

I'd add another thing, which might be the main cause for the AI to be so bunched up together - when they are close behind another car, they suddenly get much faster, by sometimes multiple seconds a lap. They get into an "attack mode" that gives them magical grip and especially braking performance.

 

But it shouldn't matter what the aggression setting is, they should not be making illegal moves.

 

Or if they do, penalties should be applied or behavior such as "yield position" enforced.

 

Man, lots of AI issues? I came to this so as to not have to race online (due to schedule). AI on some other titles don't seem to have these issues.
I hope there are improvements WHENEVER 1.6 comes out.

I really want to have some fun with AI racing...without continuing my iRacing sub

 

Yeah, there are those issues. But if you are aware of them, you can have fun with AI racing, though.
Of course, it would be even more fun if the behaviour of AI would finally be fixed.

 

I have not had any fun racing the the AI for a long time as i can very easily exploit it's faults. Waiting for 1.6 to hopefully fix the laundry list of issues.

 

You can exploit AI's behaviour also in other titles like AC, ACC, Raceroom, LMU and so on. To be honest, they last nice AI if have seen was in Geoff Crammond's games back then.
But yes, there are issues, that's why I wrote this list above.

Edit: I dream of a game where devs take care about the AI BEFORE release. Obviously, that's not state of the art anymore. And I guess it get's tricky within a title which offers such a huge variety of cars.

 

F1 22 and World of Outlaws are the two main games for my AI racing and i have yet to figure out any way to exploit them, because they actually push and defend like i expect from real drivers would.
So my expectations of good AI is on that level, they need to properly defend on corner entry and change langes and block on straights. Only the AI in F1 22 (23 too) and WoO does that from all the games i play. Plus the AI in AMS2 at the moment doesn't even drive side-by-side through corners, which again in the two games i mentioned they do. And i do not care about "physics reasons this and that". The AI needs to get better and i hope 1.6 will fix all the things that i criticized in the past months. Dev update part 2 had shown some hope .
EDIT: Of coruse people disagree when a game has better AI or other features than AMS2. Doesn't change any of the facts that currently AMS2 AI is not good and F1 22/23 blows it out of the water.

 

In my game, the AI try to go side by side through corners all the time, even in the narrowst parts of the track (like the esses down the hill in Bathurst), which would not work in real life without a huge crash because of missing room for two cars. This is because fast cars just do not manage to overtake slow ones before corners on many/most tracks and try to fight their way through by ramming other car in curves.
On tracks with chicanes surrounded by a tyre wall, like Taruma/Chicane, they crash very often by trying to go through side by side.

 

What you are describing is the AI trying to go for an overtake in a suicide manner, like how it is impossible to race the 1991 Monza without there always being a huge pile-up in the opening chicane because one AI driver always spins out another.

What i mean is driving side by side in a reasonable way how majority of track corners actually allow people to do so, yet AI instead decides they only want to go single file through 95% of the track even if it is completely possible (and realistic) to go into a corner next to each other on majority of a track.

Like in the first corner of the Le Mans circuit, AI should not go single file when in real life they go 2 and even 3 wide.

 

I'd also add damage adjustements to AI. As they can retire due to the damage, the colission efects are nowhere near of those suffered by the player

 

Looking forward to the improvments in the 1.6 for the AI...Classic F1 Gen 4, Copse, after 20 second from the green line, half of the grid in front of me spun...IA 120 max Aggressivity...it was like watching synchronized swimming...started 19th, I was 7th after Copse, I just had to go trought the smoke like in days of thunder Lol.

 

Hello! After a billion years I finally got a new wheel so I have been testing it in different sims/conditions. I set up this race in AMS2... Curitiba with F3, 10 laps, dry weather but starting with wet track state. All cars starting with wet tyres and finishing without pitting. First 4 laps are consistent, I keep getting ahead, but after that certain AI cars get an insane speed boost. I am catching the first couple of cars, running 1:19 - 1:20 consistently, P1 and P2 as well. Then cars start coming up from behind running 1:15s with the same tyres. The cars that were P1, P2 in the first few laps keep falling behind but their laptimes are consistent (finishing P7, P9 in the pic below).

Is this normal behaviour? If not (it can't be) is it getting fixed in the next version? Thanks for any info