Track limit violation - Feedback on the new system here

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@Renato Simioni Help! Can you turn off the cut detection code in the release version for now? We have a race at Interlagos GP on Sunday and it's got a really bad problem. It triggers a cut detection warning when entering the pits normally.

I was doing an offline practice race and triggered a couple of cut-detections on track. When I entered the pits normally I got the third warning. Later on when I attempted to do my 2nd pit stop, entering the pits normally triggered a stop-and-go. I still had to change my tires, so I came around again and entering the pits normally it triggered another stop-and-go, etc.

I was wondering if it was just Interlagos or a general problem, so I started races at Montreal, Spielberg, and Virginia, and it looks like all the tracks have the problem entering the pits.

So we really need this turned off in the release version for now. Even if you can fix it right away, I'd like to see some changes before this gets into the release version again:

Requests/suggestions:

1. Can you make it a drive-through penalty instead of a stop-and-go? A drive through is a heavy enough penalty!

2. After serving a stop-and-go penalty, one more cut detection triggered another stop-and-go penalty. That's pretty harsh. Suggestions: (a) Reset the count so you get 3 more warnings before triggering another penalty, or (b) Make it 3 warnings the first time, then 1 warning after the first penalty and after each subsequent penalty.

3. Can you put a symbol in the upper left corner of the screen symbolizing that a cut-detection warning has been triggered, and in the middle of it show the warning count like this: 1/3, (then 2/3, then 3/3). That way we will know our status without having to remember it. If you implement suggestion 2.b, then after a penalty the next trigger will show 1/1.

 

Hi, we are aware of the false cut detection issue when entering the pits. We will get a hotfix out asap.

 

I haven't tested this extensively, but in practicing I had several cuts where if you ride the curb and the curb ends, it will give you a warning. The two places I know it happens is on Spielberg (Austrian Ring GP) at the end of the first corner using the Formula Extreme. The other one I know for sure is the next to last corner on Goiania with the Copa Montana.

Is there any way for the time being for the game to log the cuts in the result file or something so we can go back and check how things are being detected via replay? Would be easier to give feedback if we can check things later.

 

I think the track limit penalty must only kick in when ALL 4 WHEELS are leaving the track.
Many circuits are designed to go "wide" but our local rule is that you must keep 2 wheels on the black stuff. Not sure if you can code it like that.

 

Well..
It seems MAD MAXX found a bug with Mendig in Sector 2 track limits:

 

At Mendig it is quite inconsistent. One example that annoys me is the left inside curb at chicane exit right before the 2nd split. That one is very restrictive. At T1 the violation also registers too soon, i find.
On the other hand there are places where you can cut turns, go over the grass and there's no warning.
It's WIP, i understand. Will take some time to iron everything out.

 

Londrina Kart

I get a track violation simply by leaving my garage and making my way out onto the track itself - still in the garage area long before it joins the track.

 

My league drivers are getting a track violation for 2 tires off at Johannesburg in the V10s and we have a race tomorrow afternoon. I 100% appreciate the effort here but this new detection system may need to stay in the beta build a bit longer.
Thank you for listening to us Reiza.

 

agreed, its a brilliant idea but killing our races at the moment, I cannot understand why these major updates are done just before the weekend when the majority of us race? release them early in the week so we can do some testing

 

Hi there, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but....
Track: VIR north course
Series: Copa Montana
Issue: stop/go penalty for exceeding speed limit at pit exit, even though the speed limiter is on way after the pit exit line.
Video: Watch geas's video: found a bug - Plays.tv

 

Is the logic of these track cuts based on the idea that 2 tires must always be inside the white paint and/or on the edge of the pavement where no white paint exists?

 

Today in my Formula V10 league race @Johannesburg everyone got a penalty for entering and leaving the pits. So if you had damage you got more penalties for making an additional pit stop. All that added to if you ran off 2 or 4 tires, which happens in a 50 lap race. I had to server 5 pit stops myself.

Honestly beyond this track limitation violation system we love the game. The multiplayer interface in the game is a HUGE win! And the bug with exiting the server, then choosing cancel if you change you mind doesn't put us in limbo anymore. GREAT work Reiza, I am just not a fan of this new system yet as I believe it needed more work before being added to the public release of the game.

 

Yes, it's good to periodically remind people it's still Early Access.

Last month we decided to do one last league in GSCE because we knew AMS still needed to iron out things that would be more critical for league racing, but we hardly got anyone to join because everyone had moved en masse to AMS. Now we're running AMS races and more people are joining.

We did a one hour, 49 lap Formula Extreme race at Interlagos today and we had the same problem Dann was reporting where a few people who had to pit for damage in addition to regular pits stops were getting stop-and-go penalties. I had one on-track warning early in the race and two pit stops planned, so I was driving scared for the last 45 minutes of the race because I knew I was out of warnings.

Once the system is refined, it will be a very good addition to the game. Last week we did a race at Virginia, and when I watched the replay later, I found out that the guy who finished a few seconds ahead of me was cutting corners like crazy. He had four wheels off dozens of times, and I wish now that the cut-detection had been active for that race.

 

In general I'm really happy with the work you guys have done so far and every update brings another big smile to my face! A big thumbs up and thank you for that! :thumbsup:

But – and there will always be a but – I'm not the biggest fan of the new track limit violation system. Even if you're still tweaking that in places: Could you probably add an option to enable/disable it like R3E does? Especially when learning a track it takes some time to finally get a valid lap time which often is too much for impatient people like me ... As a compromise: What about displaying the lap time at least (in brackets for example) without putting it into classification?

Off topic/general question: I posted this over at RD as well but I suppose posting here makes more sense, does it?

 

The day is not even the problem at all (counting monday to friday), the hour of the update is. IMO.
Update it at a time like 7am or 8am CET and should give everyone time to update/check if all is running ok/rollback in case something has gone wrong before a league or scheduled online race begins on any part of the planet from Australia to US.

On the track limit thing, I got a warning for put the front wheel on the grass after a curb @ Curitiba with Marcas, it was less than 0.5 second was more time lost than gained.