AI speed: difference between quali and race

Hi there,

I use to fiddle around with the AI settings in the plr file and I think now I got a lot adjusted to my likings.
However, there is one thing that bothers me: in the qualification the AI destroys me (1-2 seconds faster) but in the following race I have the same speed – or I am even faster – as the leaders. So I normally finish the race at least in the top 5, starting from the end of the grid.

Can this somehow be changed? That the AI has the same speed in qualification as in the race?

 

Yes this annoys me a lot as well. In order to set the AI speed to be similar to mine in the race, I have to turn up the AI strength to the point where I qualify last. So I turned off qualifying and just set a fixed starting grid position when I race against AI.

The other thing that annoys me is that if I set the AI strength to have a similar lap time to me in the race, I noticed that I can brake later and harder than them, and they make up for that by accelerating perfectly hard out the corners every time. So I still feel incompatible with the AI (like we're driving different types of cars) even when the laps times are similar.

 

It was with the Formula Classic at Vanport. AI strenght at 105%. However, it doesn’t matter which track it is because they are faster in qualfiying at every circuit (be it mod or original).

I’ll try this parameter in the AIW files, thanks.

 

Same Here with CopaMarcas, 3~4s in difference on pretty much all tracks regurdless stock or mod (and in most of mods AIW ,there is no "RaceQualRatio=xxx" is that default to be 1.000?"
I can barely follow AI when Qualifcation, but very easy to make up place form last to 1st in 3~4 laps in Race.
It seems AI would be slown down when Racing with others closely, so why put a RaceQualRatio over 1 anyway?

 

I've noticed this with the Boxer Cup on Santa Cruz do Sul, AIs are about 2 seconds per lap slower in the race. (~85% AI strength)

 

I have noticed in most sims that fastest race laps are similar or even faster than q lap times in general for me but for ai race laps are usually slower. Maybe there needs to be more weight penalty for carrying more fuel?

 

Boxercup AI @ Santa Cruz 102% medium agression
Fastest qual laptime of AI 1m21s6xx
Fastest race laptime of AI 1m23s4xx

 

same sorta thing at speilberg.

 

Hi Renato. I ran the full quali in regular time and then did a 16 lap race. I will keep notes of more races on Reiza and mod-tracks. Btw quite a few mod tracks have all the proper values in the AIW's

 

What fuel do you all use for your qualifying sessions? It makes a major difference to lap times.

In a qual session, AI start on low fuel when setting their fastest times.

If I also run on low fuel in qual, it usually translates quite well to starting the race on full tanks.

 

Just enough to do a couple of fast laps.

 

This has been the same issue since the beginning of rF1.

 

Renato how about when qualy is accelerated. I often do that and have noticed 3-4 sec gaps between qual and race. as mentioned above at speilberg. AI at 110%. Think the common issue people are finding that they are getting thrashed in qualy and are just finding the AI race not on par and catching AI easier than expected. Well thats my take on it.

p.s on the subject of qualy will we get a qualy session length option like AMS?

Regards

 

@Renato Simioni
Sorry to bump this thread after such a long time, but I've been testing this out, firstly on mod tracks, but later on Reiza ones.
I have found that the values you are quoting, and which are in the AIW files which are viewable, may have one zero too many in them. RaceQualRatio=1.001 numerically is only a 0.1% difference.
Testing this in game reveals no difference at all, in fact, the AI set faster laps in practice than in qualifying, and their final race laps in a short 20 min race are also faster than in qualifying.
However, setting RaceQualRatio=1.04 (ie 4% difference) translated in game to a 0.8s faster pole time at Johannesburg Historic vs practice., and faster pole times than the race fastest lap. This is much more realistic.
Would you be able to either change theses values for the forthcoming update, or, make the AIWs visible for all Reiza tracks? Or advise us if we could put an override in, say in the .gdb file.


Thanks.

 

I have spent a gazillion hours reworking AIW for a mod track pack. I also found that a higher value worked better and settled on RaceQualRatio=(1.015), or 1.5%. There are so many issues, though, that this is a very complex equation. Does the user drop fuel levels to minimum in Q? Do the AI do the same? Do the AI know enough to keep their tires fresh (for the series where that will make a big difference)? Unlimited tire sets versus limited? Talent files?

The frustration for me was that despite the strangely low RaceQualRatio number (so low as to be meaningless it would seem) in Caruaru.AIW, I haven't found issues when running a full race cycle (Q and race) at Reiza tracks. @Salvatore Sirignano, could you share a small table of test results that confirms which car, track, AI strength%, aggression level, P time, Q time and Race lap distance? For the Q ,we also need to know how many laps they ran and which was the fastest (is it fuel burn-off or fresh tires or lack of tire wear or what combo is giving them their best laps). It's a lot of numbers and work, but anything less does not allow a proper comparison or calibration to occur.