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I've been away from AMS2 for a while but today I found some spare time for this sim and I decided to test the new Default+ that came with the AMS2 v1.3.0.0 (my very first time today with v1.3).

I have to admit I'm not satisfied with it either. I didn't do any fine-tuning with that profile, though. I just selected Default+ straight away and kept the same in-game FFB settings I used to have with Kuku's modified rFuktor 4.6 custom file (Delta-X Tune V3 to be exact). I didn't made any changes in True Drive as well (I'm using SC2 Sport too), everything was the same as with all previous Silver Raw custom files I've tested so far. My AMS2 in-game FFB settings were 33 (gain) / 10 (LFB) / 28 (FX) / 15 (damping, a.k.a power steering strength in rFuktor), same as earlier on with previous AMS2 version before v1.3.0.0.

So I selected Default+ and went for a test drive with McLaren F1 GTR on Nordschleife. Even before I started to drive the car out from the pit lane I felt some pretty heavy oscillations on my Ascher F28-SC V2 wheel. From very beginning the FFB felt very spongy and I had to really hold on from the wheel to prevent any further oscillations when driving. Then later on my lap I made a mistake and lost the control of the car. When I tried to correct the car while it oversteered my wheel literally tried to kill my wrists and fingers! Luckily no physical harm occured but it was a scary moment, I never had anything like that with rFuktor or any other Silver Raw custom files.

Then I dropped back in the modified rFuktor 4.6 custom file, Delta-X Tune V3 made by @Kuku Maddog . Went for a drive again with the same car and track, everything felt good again, just like it was before AMS2 v1.3.0.0. I will definitely keep using custom FFB files in the future too and forget about Default+ and Default, they are not my cup of tea either.

 

Hi guys a newbie here, I have 2 questions
Which file should I use for TS PC racer (high end or t300rs ?) it is around 5-6 NM but seems like
High-end file with its recommended settings feels like FFB is almost does not exists
I tried to use it with raceracerace's t300 seems it is ok but a little bit tough.

So bit confused about which file should I use and what settings do you recommend for it
Thanks a lot.

 

Hi @Stakanov, @Karsten Hvidberg

I performed some more tests regarding the self alignment issue near full lock and found some interesting results, I think it is fixable.

Stakanov, thanks for you last reply, your code disables the early lock stops effectively, but it does not solve the issue completely, as I found out later, it is not the main cause.

Karsten, last time you were suspicious about mechanical trail calculations and asked me to try the Easterfuktor file. I didn't disable the lock stops and tested it as is and the issue was still present. Now I disabled them and I can confirm it does not have the self aligning issue, BUT, self aligning does become slower and slower the more angle I have and the closer I get to the real lock-stop.

Here is a little summary about the issue and my results again, hopefully this provides enough information to fix it:
-Car: Chevrolet Camaro (Street class). It has 900 degrees of lock (the wheel visually stops moving at 900 degrees in-game), but FFB lock stop activates at about 810 degrees (with both default and custom FFB).
-Problem: when drifting with latest high-end file wheel self-alignment stops at about 720 degrees (before the 810 FFB lock stop and waaay before the 900 degrees true lock)
Fix attempts:
1. high-end file + ffb lock off = issue persists, self alignment stops at 720
2. easterfuktor = issue persists, BUT, self aligning stops at 810 so it seems to be only the ffb lock stop causing the issue. Also, self aligning is only strong at center; it becomes weaker and slower as it gets close to 810.
3. easterfuktor + ffb lock off = issue fixed, self aligning reaches 900 degrees, BUT it slows down and gets weaker at high angle, the same way as in test nr.2

I hope this explains it all, it seems to me that the strong self alignment of the high end file needs to be combined with the range of the easterfuktor file, and lock stops have to be disabled. Let me know if you need more information. If you want, I can make a video about it to better demonstrate.

 

Thanks a bunch Oka,

We are precisely looking at this, so this is good information. I think I know what it might be and might have fixed it, not 100% sure yet.
More testing required here.

-K

 

Must we tweak ? if so where is the file ? thanks

 

Hello @Kuku Maddog ! I tested your Delta-X Tune V3 file today first time with a very high downforce car, the McLaren MP4/12, at Nordschleife.

I discovered that your Delta-X Tune V3 file works just as fine with this car as it does with the lower downforce GT cars I've tested earlier. Only necessary change was to lower the vehicle specific FFB for McLaren MP4/12, I lowered it from default 100% to 75%, no other in-game FFB settings changes were necessary so I'm still using the following AMS2 in-game FFB settings: 33 (gain) / 10 (LFB) / 28 (FX) / 15 (damping, a.k.a power steering strength in rFuktor).

Your Delta-X Tune V3 file helped me to achieve another world record in AMS2 Time Trial mode, this time on Nordschleife with McLaren MP4/12 (links to screenshots below). In my opinion this confirms that the changes you've made to this file are definitely doing it's magic. Good job!

http://www.dropbox.com/s/xjupsl3zej...schleife_tumi_world_record_08-12-21.png?raw=1

http://www.dropbox.com/s/uesz7je8fy...leife_tumi_personal_record_08-12-21.png?raw=1

 

@Kuku Maddog I lost track of your files somewhere along the way: When you get a chance, can you please repost the latest version (V3?) of your Delta Tune? For some reason, it's not letting me search your posts properly.

 

Mate i’m struggling to keep up with stuff myself . it’s that time of year …combined with Summer here.

so rather than have old files spread throughout the forum, i’ve made a archive that contains all the popular Delta options ( including older versions that needed Doms caster fix code amended into them. ) and the most recent Delta S mix and of course a up to date base rfuktor 4.6 .
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All this is available in the clicky link in my Signature . which makes it easier for people to share etc too .

 

Tumi

I recall some time ago you might have a TS PC racer wheel like I do

is my memory correct? Will try your settings this weekend if so

thanks

 

Hello there, @Nolive721 ! That is correct, yes. My previous wheel was indeed the TS-PC Racer. Sadly I don't recall anymore which custom file, the in-game FFB settings and Thrustmaster Control Panel settings I used to have with that wheelbase.

You can use my in-game settings as a baseline, they're propably not too far off suitable for your wheelbase. In Thrustmaster Control Panel I'd start with the default settings and maybe adjust only the overall gain slider to your liking.

 

Thank you @tUMi

that means you moved away from this wheel now and your custom FFB applies to a different wheel?

 

Well, I think Kuku's Delta-X V3 Tune file applies to TS-PC Racer as well as any other belt driven wheelbase. I suggest you test it for yourself, that's the only way to know for sure.

Unfortunetaly I cannot recall which Silver Raw file was the last one I used with TS-PC Racer before I moved on to SC2 Sport. It definitely wasn't the rFuktor 4.6 I last tested with TS-PC, that's for sure (the file Kuku's modification is based on).

 

Thought i`d drop my latest tweak of Kuku`s Delta S file becaue I like it so much..
The forces in slow corners are increased and ramp up more at speed if you like that kind of thing.
It`s for my csw2.5 but may work well for other wheelbases.

 

Hey Kuku,

i hope you are doing well!
Are you sure the .zip file in your singnature contains the latest stuff?
Latest Version you postet here was "Delta S ( Aplha Delta ).zip"

>>and the most recent Delta S mix and of course a up to date base rfuktor 4.6 .
I can't find a delta S mix in this .zip..Also i can't find a up to date base rfuktor 4.6 in this .zip.

Best regards,
Manuel

 

oh I see, it hasn’t included the separate zip inside the zip
I will reconfigure it this morning.
Cheers for letting me know.

 

@nabelo

Link fixed to all in one Zip file and also added Vivian's ,(oops i mean @Alegunner68 ) Tune as a recommendation for Belt wheels.
It defiantly help confirm what I thought might be best changes for Belt wheels.

But I also reckon @tUMi will like it , as its got that heavy set feel like V3 but with more detail.
So its not constrained to Belts only .

 

Thank you, Kuku, for uploading your latest file, I will definitely give it a go tomorrow on Saturday and let you know how it works for me.

 

So... as I promised yesterday, I did some testing today on Laguna Seca/Jerez Moto/Nordschleife with GTE/GT1 (Corvette C8R/911 RSR/McLaren F1 GTR) cars and tried out every Delta S tune included in @Kuku Maddog 's rFuktor 4.6 Delta archive except the one for the low end wheels.

I got to admit that Kuku was right from the beginning, he really seems knows exactly what kind of FFB I like (thanks for the hint, by the way). My favourite Delta S tune from the archive is definitely @Alegunner68 's tweak, it really stands out from the rest of the tunes. When comparing this tune to the other Delta S tunes included in the archive it's easy to tell that the FFB in slow corners has been noticeably increased and the FFB also ramps up more while gaining speed. Thanks to these changes, correcting oversteer feels easy and natural with this tune. Even though this Delta-S tune is originally designed to work with the belt driven wheelbases, it feels incredibly well balanced with my DD wheelbase (SC2 Sport), the FFB feels so alive in both corners and in straight line without wheel center being too heavy or too light.

The other Delta-S tunes included in Kuku's archive (Primary & Alt scrub + low smoothed Primary scrub, can't comment the low end wheel tune) felt way too light and vague for me. The people who prefer lighter FFB may like them but they were not my cup of tea.

Alegunner's tweaked Delta S tune retains the robust and precise feel of Delta X V3 tune but at the same time it does provide more detail, just as Kuku described it. I love this Delta S tune, it's just incredible!

So big thank you to both Kuku and Alegunner for the effort you have done to make the original rFuktor 4.6 feel supreme!

 

Thanks for chucking my file in @Kuku Maddog , and glad you like it @tUMi , though there's still room for improvement on slow speed corners I think. It's still lacking some forces.

 

there's a link in Kuku's signature.

@Alegunner68 great tune Ale, really informative and with a nice weight to it.