Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

Felt experiment 2 was too "pointy" on rear downforce, so here is next iteration.

* Smoother feel of rear end.
* Value "rear_end_feel" added - might be slightly too high at current 0.6, so try 0.5 or even lower if that is the case.

"ffb_custom_settings - 5.0.1.4-experimental3"

 

* Improved suspension feel(not more, but hopefully slightly better, adjust up using "suspension_scale" if you want more).
* Slightly more delta load feel.

"ffb_custom_settings - 5.0.1.4-experimental4"

btw @Stakanov @Danielkart @Kuku Maddog In some of your tunes there is a constant rumble while driving, which effect in the file is changed to give that? (Sorry, out of time to look myself)

 

Just out of curiosity or to be sure that I understand, how work these two new lines....

(FL_load_norm (* FL_load_norm (+ 1 (* grip_rl rear_end_feel (- (min 2 (/ (smooth RL_load 0.2) (max 0 (smooth RL_load 2.0)))) 1)))))
(FR_load_norm (* FR_load_norm (+ 1 (* grip_rr rear_end_feel (- (min 2 (/ (smooth RR_load 0.2) (max 0 (smooth RR_load 2.0)))) 1)))))

Premises this sum
1 +
the negative result on the R_load, ((the min of division of two R_loads smooth or 2) -1) +
the positive value of the half of grip if rear_end is 0.5

Result
If this result of the PREMISES is > 1 then increases the front load norm with multiplication
If this result on the PREMISES is < 1 then decreases the front load norm with multiplication

consequently if increasing the front simulates a lean feel of the grip rear and vice versa

The logic is this???

 

I think what you are saying is correct or almost correct(not sure about the last line reg. front/rear/vice versa).

You could say that:

short_term_rl_load_delta_pct = (+ 1 (* grip_rl rear_end_feel (- (min 2 (/ (smooth RL_load 0.2) (max 0 (smooth RL_load 2.0)))) 1)))

and then:

FL_load_norm = FL_load_norm * short_term_rl_load_delta_pct

That might be more explanatory than what I put in the file.

The idea is that rear tyre increased/decreased short term load should be felt on the steering on that same side, and this is done by multiplying that relative difference on to the front load feeling.


Btw, there is a slight error: "(max 0" should have been "(max 1" in both lines, as it can produce an error right now, not sure it matters.


I posted these experimental files in brief succession as each little change might be something that some of you guys like or hate As small pieces they are easy to transfer over.

 

@Karsten Hvidberg Yes I had guessed well but I mean very badly sorry ... after all if I speak normal English badly by translating everything with google translator imagine how can I be clear to speak English by explaining the mathematical function ... I really suck ...
But I do not give up, love gives me courage and I always study, after having learned the language and logic of your files now I am moving on to the translation of mathematical formulas...


If my employer knew that I study FFB with Prof. Karsten during working hours would send me to Mars with a gravitational acceleration much higher than that of Earth of 9,8 m/s2

 

Ahahahahah ... @easy81 sei peggio del mio amico che ogni volta che sono a casa in malattia mi citofona la mattina al campanello di casa cambiandosi la voce e mi dice "Visita fiscale di controllo apra!!!"

Ahahahahah ... @ easy81 you are worse than my friend who every time I am at home in sickness calls me at the doorbell in the morning changing his voice and says to me "Tax medical control visit open !!!"

 

ATTENTION GUYS!!!!!

Karsten surely by typing mistake left two lines of code active for the same function in the last files 5.0.1.4 Experiment 2 - 3 and 4, delete the second in red and bold (or insert # symbol for deactive) and leave the first in green active!!

(gain2 (min 1 gain))
(gain2 (* 2 (power (/ gain 1.2) 1.4))) <-------- Delete or insert in front # symbol

 

Hi

Sorry i can’t keep up with this stuff at the moment, but quick test of last exp 1/2 and 4 felt pretty good once i put in my preferred scrub and tear etc, and also slightly different yaw signal based on rel weight.

perhaps the different way we like to have scrub work contributes to the road vibes /. rumble.

 

I ll write something about it later

 

Stakanov, what do you think center_full....., reverse the values?
Grip_tyres_smoth, is not good for my file. Even with Stakanov I find it better without. Stakanov you can also post your file without 4x4 grip? To test? There are very few 4x4 cars, and now the ftont axle is connected to the steering, just an idea Karsten your file is very hard and difficult to drive with dd. Too heavy for my taste maybe others feel better? This is not a criticism , just my opinion. All these new files are world class, and world better than before
Regards and good night

 

It is hard bc of that line @Stakanov pointed out, so simply lower gain in game.
Around 30% it is the same as other files, above 30% it gets much higher.
I though it would help g-series, but no, so I added the old line back in, but made the error to forget to remove the newer one.

So either edit the files as @Stakanov pointed out, or I will post fixed version tomorrow.

 

@Danielkart wait i test now this 2 requests ... no smooth grip ed inverted center!!! ... thank goodness you're not a woman with DD!!!!

 

Are you sure

 

I saw it now too , thank you

 

What do the 2 values do to center_full... 0.25 0.5???????

 

i didn’t find the last files that much more heavy but definitely noticed the wheel was slower or had more friction, but if the code double up stakanov found was the reason, then it should be fine after that .

 

Need my beauty sleep now I' m a woman
Good night

 

Grip_Smooth Disable
Yes Yes Yes Yes and Yes the feel of the wheel is cleaner and less rubbery, even, the FFB signal in the histogram is more detailed and less dirty ... the smooth removed the peak (for example at the start) but then maintained the coarser grip effect ... now without smooth the peak is felt more but the wheel remains clear and light
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Center with value inverted (10 is mutch then i use my value 7.5)
(center_full (blend (min 1.00 (* lfb_slider 7.5)) 0.5 0.25))

NO and Yes
the force to the center is more directed and pushed towards the center like a sword (then great) but tends to oscillate more around the position 0 and supports the curve less because it wants to return to the center quickly (good)

Center with normal
(center_full (blend (min 1.00 (* lfb_slider 7.5)) 0.25 0.5))

Yes and No
the force is less directed and pushed towards the center no like a sword (but good) but tends to oscillate less around position 0 and supports the curve more because it wants to return to the center quickly but less compared to above (then great)
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@Danielkart I'm undecided, I like both ... but this story that your DD wants to become GEAR, and my GEAR wants to become DD must end!!!
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EDIT:
I couldn't sleep I kept thinking about trying the 9 and I made another attempt with the same feeling abov but with an even more convincing center .... maybe the second line.....

(center_full (blend (min 1.00 (* lfb_slider 9.0)) 0.6 0.3))
(center_full (blend (min 1.00 (* lfb_slider 9.0)) 0.3 0.6))

I'll think about it while sleeping GOODNIGHT TO ALL ...
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EDIT 2:
I couldn't sleep again I kept thinking about we use this
(angle_d_l2 (* angle_d_l 30))---> not def. 25
(angle_d_r2 (* angle_d_r 30))---> not def. 25
which we set precisely to 30 to increase the forces towards the center.
Then i reported the value fron 30 to default 25, and the the center that winner is..............

(center_full (blend (min 1.00 (* lfb_slider 9.0)) 0.6 0.3))

Now i can sleep..... ​

 

The latest experimental files feel fantastic. Thank you very much

 

Oh my god... This ffb needs a gun license I felt it"s better the other way around. Yes, we increased the middle to 30, because it was too loose. Back to 25? Yes, yes, yes Stakanov, that" it. Clint Eastwood would be jealous