Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

Because I don't like standard. That's why I do my own custom, that's why. From a very subjective personal taste, just like there are people who like the standard. Reiza offers this possibility, so use it. You are free to write your own file (following your rf2 example) at any time. But don't expect Reiza to provide an operating manual, that's impossible. The physics and the FFB is very complex and difficult to connect. If it were that easy to improve everything with a few controls, Reiza would have done it long ago. As I said, you can always write your own file

And by the way, I find Rf2 worse than Ams2 in the FFB, again my personal opinion and experience with Rf2, especially with strong bases

 

can anyone link me customs files for t300rs please i'm lost with those 346 pages

 

I would like the wiki to have a page which explains what everything does on custom ffb, but I don’t know a lot about custom ffb making so help is needed

 

A fair amount of descriptions/comments follow each line of these Custom FFB files. So, you need to look inside them to find out.

 

I've been exploring some of the data across multiple custom FFB files to start identifying patterns and developing some general principles to guide some kind of [potentially] useful methodology (similar, but arguably a smidge more ambitious, to what I already did with the Reiza profiles). Additionally, this particular thread contains a ton of useful insights and guidance that ought to be gathered, organized, and synthesized before the whole thing collapses under its own colossal weight. Various custom-FFB files are a bit like DNA from different (but closely-related) species: the majority of the information is pretty much the same, with some minor variations here and there, but you really need to have a well-developed understanding of the remaining, salient differences and how they express themselves.

After I figure it all out to my own satisfaction, perhaps one or two others might benefit from whatever comes of it.

 

I use a T300 wheel, I have modded the rFuktor 5.0.1.4 file by karsten to fit my own preference. Give it a try m8.

In AMS2
I have the Force setting at 75
Low Force Boost at 30-40
Effects at 40-50
Damper at 0

 

Have you got a good usb connection?
I had dropouts and it turned out to be my "high quality" 50cm usb extension. Bought a proper one and the issue hasn't returned.
Just jinxed myself.

 

Peter Stefani has already posted several "instructions" that can be very useful. You will also find descriptions for the individual values in most customs. But I can tell you from personal experience that this is not always true. The user can test individual values and change them according to personal taste. But there are values that change the whole file (each custom behaves differently) and then it is necessary to work with combinations. This then takes a lot of time and experience, otherwise a good file quickly becomes a bad file

 

Good to know. Well then I might add a page on it in a few weeks

 

Couldn't agree more with that statement. It's so easy to change one value, then have to change another to balance it out in another area then before you know it hours have gone by and very little to no progress has been made. I've never done that.
(I have done that)
Still fine tuning my final file, the ffb ramps up too much on tight turns even at slow speeds, think the vel rot scale needs raising a lot.

 

you might need to lower brake_feel and or brake _weight .
In lower speed tight corners the deceleration is part of the brake feel .

 

Again, it is the combination of various changes. I have already done this with my personal file. I will post all 3 customs tomorrow for all forces. I hope it will help you further for your personal file

 

Well, "standard" is what AMS2 is. Everything else, is getting outside that sphere, most likely to get someting other game already does better (so we know is possible to achieve, in first place).

The advantage of custom FFB is to create a new flavour, taking the parameters the game already calculated.
If I take an already existing file, I'll be very limited in what I can change (fundamental changes).
The files derivated from "By Karsten with Shadak & Panos" don't use arm_force, M_max_force_at_rack or FL_angvel, but others do (like those derived from NuScorpii). How many are there waiting to be used?
I don't need a manual, just a reference sheet. I'm an engineer, I like to waste time reading tables .

And no, Reiza can be in the same position as you, like "it's ok as it is, this is AMS2, I don't want to mimic others".
So... I need to.

 

It's always a matter of opinion whether someone prefers defaults or customs. Yes, that's the big difference between you and me. You are the theorist and I am the practitioner. A comparison: driving a nail into a board. I take the hammer and the nail and drive it into the board with my experience and the resources available. You calculate the angle and the force beforehand and calculate it in a table. Yes, your method is very accurate and would be the perfect process. But it's just the theory. It's the same with Customs. I take the resources and experience I have and mix it with my feel on the rig. Everyone can decide for themselves whether this is right or wrong and is very subjective and depends on personal taste. As I said, I'm the wrong man to give you tables You need to contact Reiza directly or the people you think can help you

 

Had the same after changing to asetek base from fanatec. the issue turned out to be my next level platform. I had all items plugged into one usb hub. using usbtreeview i noticed the next level platform disconnected during heavy brakeing, not the asetek base.
moved the next level platform to its own usb port , now all ok.

 

Hi guys!

I am posting my 4 new V200 custom files here.All Customs are based on the V70 Plus with some improvements.The focus was on the balance of the various forces involved.The result is a more harmonious and even force throughout the range.

As usual, the first 3 files are for different power ranges of the bases in order to cover as many as possible.As usual, the flat spot is set to 0.This can be changed in the file according to personal preference at ( Flatspot_scale 0).My recommended range is about 0 - 0.05

The 4 file is the rally file for all bases and all power ranges.That means for Formula Dirt Cars / Cart Kross Cars / RX Cars / Trucks and for all Go-Karts.Be careful to change the IN-Game values of these cars.These values are given at the beginning of the file.

As always, I wish you fast laps and lots of fun with the files



Best of Karsten Hvidberg V200 from Daniel for all bases 8-25Nm

Best of Karsten Hvidberg V200 from Daniel for all bases 5-8Nm

Best of Karsten Hvidberg V200 from Daniel for all bases 2-5Nm

Best of Karsten Hvidberg V200 Rally from Daniel for all bases 8-25Nm

 

Btw Daniel, tried your latest personal file and I it is great. I really like it! Thanks for sharing!

 

Thank you ricxx! The V200 files are practically identical to my personal V70Plus file for Simucube

 

Why do you say that? Your files are based on lots of math formulas you don't even understand, made by "theorists", you call them? Without them, you didn't had AMS2 or custom files, or a computer to write thinks to internet.

Just one question for you: can you discribe "green", the color, without saying "like the trees" or "like grass" or "Heineken logo"? Me neither. Is a concept inside our own minds, something specialists call "experience".
Same for FFB. I can't imagine what you're feeling, you can't describe what I'm feeling.
But you get urticaria as soon as someone mention "rF2", I got that.

Keep doing files, many like them.
But don't talk about "theorist" or "practitioner". It's clearly out of your sphere of knowledge.

And, I'm not asking you for tables, I clearly mention "Reiza".

 

It isn't really that. No one sane thinks FFB is realistic. It's designed precisely to give information through the wheel that you couldn't feel sitting on a chair looking at a display.

Some of the forces are "real" in the sense that they're similar to what you'd expect to feel in a car and these come out of the physics engine.

But a lot of people don't like only having those so they want more, both in terms of fictional forces to help you drive and FX. It's like sound. Often you get real drivers on youtube saying "Actually we don't hear all these sounds in the cockpit" - well, no the reason many sims have tyres that squeal so readily is to give information that you can't 'feel' because you're not in a car.

And a few people think RF2 has "good ffb" in that context. It's entirely subjective. There's no game that's giving more accurate ffb than another.

The fairly obvious fact it's entirely subjective is the plethora of alternatives 70plus, 100, billy's edits, charlies 70plus-plus-best-from-harry-add25%-takeaway5 - it's all nonsense, but reasonable because it's subjective. Like where to put the bass and treble when you listen to music.

If you feel happier playing the game with the wheel wobbling in a particular way go for it.

The other difference really is because there's a range of different wheels in use these days using gears, belts and DD with strength varying from under 2.5nm or less through to over 30nm.

Nowadays you don't really need ffb at all because VR lets us sit in the car instead of looking at it remotely making it more subjective.

But, insofar as FFB gives you a bit more immersive feeling, pick the ffb you like. It's like fov if you have a monitor. Calculating it to 3 decimal places and then fretting it doesn't look right? There's no correct fov, just pick one you like.