Automobilista 2 July 2025 Development Update

Discussion in 'Automobilista 2 - News & Announcements' started by Renato Simioni, Jul 29, 2025 at 7:12 PM.

  1. Renato Simioni

    Renato Simioni Administrator Staff Member

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    Folks once again we are not "charging a second time" for the same track; the 2025 Nurburgring is a completely revamped mesh including inumerous updates to and around the circuit. The actual Nurburgring Pack you already paid for that features the 2020 version of the track is ALSO getting updated for FREE; Some of you seem to think you have paid for a location, and that it would preferable for us to not model future updates to that location beyond the original release in a completely optional addition to the original release if it meant charging the equivalent of a capuccino for it.

    Here is another bit of perspective - developers have to pay a second time (and potentially third and fourth depending on how long the shelf life of the product is) for the same track, because licensing deals expire; we just signed on for another six figure deal with the Nurburgring earlier this year, without which we wouldn´t even be able to keep selling the original Pack.

    The folks at the Nurburgring are good people and actually got us a better deal than the original for the renewal, but it is still a substantial investment we need to recoup somehow; the alternative is not to invest and to allow curtains to start falling on AMS2 but since we keep outselling ourselves year on year I don´t think it´s quite time for that.

    The licensing scene is getting wild out there though with some companies really asking for obscene renewal fees, it is not unlikely we might have to opt out a few of them especially if users are going to be precious about chipping in every now and then, all the while throwing trucks of money to other developers who are kinda playing a part inflating these licensing numbers to begin with.

    I´ve always tried to keep things open and honest with our users and in that spirit I say - buy our products only if and when you find them worthwhile; we always price them very fairly and we deliberately give free trial periods to new DLCs so that instead of cashing in at the time they are at their hottest, we give our users the opportunity to make an educated purchase - not something devs looking for a quick easy buck would do.

    if you don´t have the disposable income at the time or if you don´t quite find it worth the asking price, please give it a pass or just wait for a sale - try to remember that a product being put out for sale is not a demand or a beg for money, there is never reason for you to be offended by it, much less is there reason to offend the people that did the hard work putting that product together - and offend is kind of what you are doing whenever you get your arms up about some single digit DLC being put out; doing that here will make us inclined to point you to the door.

    Now on to release day :)
     
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  2. LinxESP

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    By lag is this latency connection wise or the FPS performance tank?
     
  3. Tactical_Grace

    Tactical_Grace New Member

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    I'm quite happy to pay the devs for their hard work. The only thing I need to know is what time the update releases today. Wanna make sure I can set aside some time to get in some good solid driving.
     
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  4. SoloWingX

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    If I was disappointed with multiclass AI until now, is it worth my time, energy and potentially mood to try it with this patch? Can they finally race at Daytona without spinning and crashing left and right?
     
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  5. GFoyle

    GFoyle Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Honestly it's ridicilous for anyone to complain that a company wants a moneyt for new content, which has required investment in both in work hours and licence fees. Even if some company would give something for free, it usually has some commercial motivation, like lure new buyers or reward loyal ones and hope they also spread a good word.

    The cost is even so small that you hardly get a Call of Duty skin with that price.

    And like Renato and others have said, it's not like it's obligatory to buy it.
     
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  6. Lars1125

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    Hello, I'm new to the forum.

    I wanted to ask if there will be a driver change in ams2? Is that even planned?
     
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  7. stealthradek

    stealthradek Driving character: Chaotic good AMS2 Club Member

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    What if it's currently uploading right now and Renato have some spare time for firefighting on forums? Or it's compiling which may take a while too.
    Sometimes there are things that can't be sped up freeing the devs to do something else. I'm pretty sure they're not the slacking type.
     
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  8. michaelsan

    michaelsan BANNED BANNED

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    I just find it so stupid.
    these people are just trolls and they don't deserve time nor energies.
     
  9. Divit Beria

    Divit Beria Prefer modern cars

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    Also, when something gets built at a 'simulation level', it obviously involves considerable work especially a project as big as the nordschleife. This might be a bad example but if anyone's into aviation and aware of DCS world, it's a military aviation simulator and per aircraft, the price is $80 or more (although I get why that and ams 2 is vastly different) but the point still stands.

    $8 is vastly disproportionate to the amount of enjoyment and driving time one is bound to get out of the nordschleife.
     
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  10. Siggi_Stoppschild

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    I always feel like the slightest criticism is not allowed on this Forum & people get real salty if someone „attacks“ their favorite sim racing game.
    I personally believe it‘s valid to not want to pay another $8 for a Track that you already own, but it‘s also valid to charge $8 for it considering all the work that has been done. Renatos explanation that the 2020 version is part of the Nürburgring Pack and the 2025 Version is a stand alone thing absolutely makes sense.

    I will test the new content on the weekend & I will surely test if the frame rate still drops to unplayable in multiplayer sessions. Has nobody else got this problem?
     
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  11. Stefano80

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    Shut up and take my money
     
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  12. TraWay

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    The hate is totally unrelevant, Reiza was always open with us and also we should be happy, that they give us free trial for EVERY new DLC.
    Having said that, I don't really race on the original Nords, but my money will go towards the new version, simply because I want to support Reiza. In my opinion Reiza are one of the few devs left, that keep it fair and open with their players. The prices are fair and the quality of DLCs always exceeds expectations.
    In conclusion, just calm down guys and be happy that Reiza works the way they are working, unlike some other devs.
     
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  13. Kaprych

    Kaprych Member AMS2 Club Member

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    II understood that I will receive free update of nurb to 2025 version if I have already bought nurb pack. You don't have to buy it second time.
     
  14. herakles

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    Thanks for this stunning update!

    I must admit that I am a little sad not to see an update for AI skills on ovals or oval-like tracks - still. Counter check this post:

    Official General AI Comments & Discussion Topic

    Apart from that, I am eager to see the weekend coming! ;)

    herakles
     
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  15. Seb02

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    Renato, as I explained, I have no problem with you proposing a Nurburgring 2025 DLC. I think I used the word "optional" twice. I don't think my message was aggressive or irreverent.
    I mistakenly referred to the same track, and that's, I think, what upset you. I understand that this "shortcut" doesn't live up to the work Reiza has done.
    And you're right; let's move on to release day.
     
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  16. asebasti18

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    @Renato Simioni
    Please don't take the comments from all the people who are being cheeky seriously and keep your good mood for today's publication.You are doing a great job and who does not understand that licenses, work, personnel etc. cost money and that is why you cannot do a free update, apparently has problems understanding that without earning any money, has to close the shop because there is no more money for workers and licenses etc.
    Everyone is entitled to criticism, but there's understandable criticism and stupid criticism. If you say it's too expensive, that it should cost €6, okay, that's understandable, but free is probably an exaggeration.Do not take the criticism to heart, most of the people here and those who play the game play it because it is simply a wonderful game which with your small team gets better after each update And it gets better.

    I have one more question for everyone who has already driven the route: will the digital flags be working around the track?
     
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  17. cuadolo

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    REIZA have given me so much satisfaction that I'm delighted to see what they've come up with this time, and I'm happy to buy the new releases.
    People, life's too short to get angry.
    You can have a different opinion, and it's also right to ask the reasons behind a choice. But always with respect and gratitude for their work, which becomes our enjoyment.
     
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  18. bazziboy

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    Good to hear, that with buying AMS2 we also sponsor the Nürburgring :)
    It's a great track and the people are nice. They deliver an awesome amount of fun with the 24h races and the racing community at whole.

    Things are getting hot without too much reason. Some people really don't understand how business works and give their best to find every little reason to turn down every project a little company like reiza comes up with. Don't let you get involved in this Renato. There are always people like that. Maybe they come from other companies, maybe they hate this game.

    They are irrelevant. Your success is our success. And I am happy to buy all the new DLCs when they come out.

    Plz unban michaelsan. He just wanted to express that people are too angry.
    (hoping that this don't regresses)
     
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  19. aboe_83

    aboe_83 ABOE AMS2 Club Member

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    Looking forward to the Ligier JS2-R immensely... and got fingers crossed that its inclusion in the sim may even be a tip of the hat towards inclusion of the full Ligier European Series, including the tracks that they race on, at some point in the future :whistle:
     
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  20. GFoyle

    GFoyle Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    if you would just left the word “part” out from the dlc names, it would had caused less confusion with the season passes. “Part” makes it sound like a pack is split …

    It could have been even like this:

    USA Racing pack
    USA Racing pack 2
    Etc
     
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