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AM2 -- My thoughts

Discussion in 'Automobilista 2 - General Discussion' started by Micropitt, Jun 18, 2020.

  1. MaxSleepangle

    MaxSleepangle New Member

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    Jimmy made a (now unlisted) second AMS2 video, a livestream. He was generally very negative about AMS2 and recommended against buying it in its current state particularly because of bugs. He did say he had some fun in places and if you like pCars you'll like the physics but for that reason, he doesn't like it and believes the Madness engine was a fundamental problem if you want hardcore simulation.

    It didn't stop me buying it, but I have to say after spending some time playing with setups, I've sadly come to agree with him. I can't get it to behave in any meaningful way as per GTL, GTR2, iRacing (10yrs), rFactor1/2, AMS1, LFS, AC, ACC and get it away from that pCars 'point and floor the throttle' handling. Whenever I try it against AI, I'm initially slow until I remember "think arcade" and then just turn the steering and floor it and it goes wherever you aim. Something is very wrong. I very much hope the physics (tyres?) can be rescued because with the graphics and weather it would be everything I would want.
     
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  2. Shadak

    Shadak Active Member

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    I have to agree sadly... I like what theyve done with ffb and custom files feel great. But I dont like the madness engine physics and while I trust they will tweak it, I think it was a mistake and wish they would make it closer to Ams1 (or rf1 or 2) which might not be easy. But only Reiza knows and hope dies last.
     
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  3. Nolive721

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    The PC2 engine debat again. I am not sure i agree with both comments above when i compare the Ginetta in both games i like the AMS2 better and it feels more replicating what would be the real car dynamics
     
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  4. steelreserv

    steelreserv Well-Known Member Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    The physics are outstanding. The weight of the car is evident. The shifting weights under throttle and braking effect grip and is noticeable, as it should. There are distinct driving characteristics with stiff or soft suspensions. Im not sure what people aren’t noticing. On top of this, the FFB is outstanding. There is nothing arcade about it. This term should be banned.

    The tire modeling is very general and very forgiving under a wide range of psi and camber settings. Thats the only knock. That affects the nuance of setups to a very large degree but makes the cars drivable for a wide spectrum of players.

    AMS2 is way more intricate in a lot of ways which is beyond a player loading in popping in a default setup and then declaring “arcade”.
     
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  5. InfernalVortex

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    The only thing ab out the physics, though, is go load up the Lotus 49 in Assetto Corsa, or the Brabham in rF2... From a stop, accelerate as hard as you can, and then when you get to speed, slam on brakes. The front suspension visibly and obviously unloads on acceleration,. and re-loads upon braking. You dont seem to get hardly any of this in AMS2. I love the game and how it feels, but this is the one thing that kind of puts me off. It was pointed out somewhere else, and it feels like the car more or less responds to weight transfer to some extent, but there's a visual disconnect that makes me reconsider what it is I am feeling.
     
  6. steelreserv

    steelreserv Well-Known Member Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    could this be an issue with coding of the visual or perhaps the front dampers are stiff? Is the lateral load different in each game? That would affect how far the nose pitches when braking.
     
  7. Beccobunsen

    Beccobunsen Well-Known Member

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    This Jimmi ****ting on Ams2 and doing hours of live of F12020?...youtubers are now on the money, like every thinks in the world.
    Now the simracing thing is bubble, when the coronavirus thing is over the usual enthusiasts will remain to support the market .

    ...And finally I can buy myself a new steering wheel without economic speculation (at least in my country ..)
     
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  8. InfernalVortex

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    Actually I was going to make a video demonstrating this... and it is WAY more obvious now than it ever was before. Something has changed significantly here since v1.0.0. I dont know if it reflects in the physics, but it looks about right now! Thats awesome!
     
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  9. David Wright

    David Wright Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    There is definitely an issue with the Formula Vintage. The tyres float an inch or so off the ground and the front suspension doesn't move when you brake. I will raise a bug report.
     
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    Are you sure? Because I just tried it and it looks way better now than it did before.
     
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    Beccobunsen Well-Known Member

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    I read on the last update : Temporarily disabled some suspension animations fro F-reiza, F-V10, F-v12 and F-Ultimate, no in formula vintage...perhaps..
     
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    And that's curious to me too, because some of the F-Classics have suspension animations where they didnt before. I was pleasantly surprised by that!
     
  13. Beccobunsen

    Beccobunsen Well-Known Member

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    My new problem is the bumpty bumpty thing in the openwheel models.., dont know if this is my problem, but i cant undestand the full logical on the world moviment camera thing.
    The shacky camera on/off dont work anymore (for me..). In barely whatchable in this moment.
    The cars start having delirius tremens when stopped, like a washing machine, (all reiza models for shure), i'ts shaking like 1967 fiat 500. There is a default reset button for all settings?
     
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  14. steelreserv

    steelreserv Well-Known Member Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Lol @ delirium tremens
     
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  15. Micropitt

    Micropitt Mediocre driver doing mediocre laps AMS2 Club Member

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    No drinking and driving :p
     
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  16. lawgicau

    lawgicau Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I guess deleting ams2 folder in documents is the best way to revert to default settings.
     
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  17. Beccobunsen

    Beccobunsen Well-Known Member

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    yeah done that, the visual bumpiness is not gone away, but is better.
    Is The shacky camera switch doing something in this release? i notice also that the apex moviment (poor man vr) it does not activate until you change all the views and return to the cookpit. Strange
     
  18. MaxSleepangle

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    The setup pages for the Caterham Superlight (likely others too) are a mess. When I return to the menu, some changes have reverted back, things I haven't touched have changed, some settings can't be changed, and when I tried saving the current setup (thinking that might nail down), AMS2 crashed - twice.

    At one point, I'd got the car behaving not too badly but it still had that pCars 'save anything' behaviour - no scary edge. So I gave it the most oversteery suspension possible, and it then started mega understeering on entry. With a buggy setup page, who knows what the physics is really doing? This stuff needs to be sorted out....
     
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