Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

The file custom is ok ... it is just a defect of the game in the KArt especially only with the Kart Shifter 125 (250 is ok) that I can fix just by lowering almost the oversteer and 0 downstreer with relax ... look the AI at Burskerd Long (I am not referring to the clashes) even running alone during a curve they go head and tail without any sense, or they take a bribe without control ... to take a test, try to make sharp turns by braking aggressively in corner entry ... by reducing the oversteer and downstreer you can remove the defect, when it improves I will raise it again as I use it for all other cars ...

@Shadak @Karsten Hvidberg @Kuku Maddog
EDIT: Sorry I was wrong ... I found the solution ... or rather the problem is the tighten, even if in karts it is set to zero, I don't know if this is normal but karts adjust without it in general part ... moreover, leaving the karts alone, if I enable it in the general part it alters all the necessary adjustments and therefore I had to twist all parameters including the curves .... I'm trying to tune again without ... I hope to be able to obtain a similar center ... wait

EDIT 2: I tried to sketch a tuning similar to my previous one but without tightening, the curves were fine by default, I raised the center to 0.8 and some usual values ... in the game, however, to compensate for the lack of tightening, I had to raise by 10 the values of the cursors ... the karts are now fine, I added only one line to bring the center back to 0.3, as 0.8 was too much, even if I still have to refine it ... I attach file EXP1 for Logitech G920

Gain 78 LFB 68 FX 68 DP 68

 

We were quite productive tonight with a new file so will see when Karsten is ready to release it

 

rFuktor 3.6.

Finally @Panos Schoino and @Shadak stepped in to clean a few missteps out
Also fixes some issues that have been reported.

* Oversteer on high angles issue that was introcuded in some of the recent files (@Oka this is for you.)
* Oversteer adjusted.
* Grip loss feel adjusted.
* Scrub slower again. If scrub now is not working well for you, please adjust "scrub_frq_scale" to 1.0 or so, but at 0.3 it feels great on DD.
* Texture scale adjusted down, but then large bumps adjusted up.
* Tyre deform scale adjusted.
* Center relax adjusted.

High end file attached.

 

Feels good to me , but then looking at the file it wont surprise , as it’s not far from my previous tunes.
I prefer both centering and force to be trail scale method, i like the way the wheel moves quicker and get nice feeling of wheel going lite on subtle counter steer mid corner.

i will probably turn scrub freq up a little : ) but that’s personal preference.

 

hello Karsten
On my TSPC Racer, I compared v3.5 and v3.6.
I have to say I prefer V3.5.
V3.5 is really very very good for me, very dynamic, with a full center. In comparison, v3.6 is also great, but compared to V3.5, I don't feel the dampers as much anymore. Which made me think of RF2 almost gone on my steering wheel.
I stay for the moment with V3.5 which really makes me happy!
Thank you

 

FYI: @Shadak Just pounded at the file as he was not quite happy about some of the edits, so a new version is likely posted later today.

 

Hey @Karsten Hvidberg i can't wait to try the modified version of @Shadak ... for now I'm working on your latest 3.6 file without tightening for my G920 ... I'm excited because I think something wonderful is coming out with a simple tuning which I will apply on your next release, so let's talk about your last file with almost default values and only some effects added or changed.

Having said the above, I have only one question to ask you ... that is, the central oscillation of the steering on a straight line which (taking your hands off the steering wheel) grows exponentially as you increase speed.
Everything seems useless and in order I tried:
- LFB High (68) and Low (28);
- center_full Normal (0.3) and high (0.8);
- relax_center high (1.2), normal (0.5) and low even zero (0);
everything seems to affect almost nothing on the oscillation, and to avoid it I just need to keep my hands on the steering wheel, as soon as I leave it resumes.
The tested car is the V10 Gen 2 but in a less aggressive way it also happens with the other GT3, GT4, etc. cars. ...

Among other things, on a Logitech basis, I must say that even keeping the relax_center disabled at zero (or disabling it with the # symbol) the situation does not change ... what I have heard a lot about DD with high LFB happens and it is impossible for me to remove it ... is it possible that the relax_center has such a limited effect ???

I can live even without the solution to this problem and just keep a hand on the wheel so that it does not happen, but out of curiosity I wanted your opinion!!!

Thanks always in advance !!!

EDIT: I FOUND A FIX ... MY G920 BELIEVES TO BE A DIRECT DRIVE ... WITH LFB AT 0, A MINIMUM OF OSCILLATION REMAINS BUT STABILIZES AND DOESN'T GROW ... IT SEEMS MORE A VIBRATION IN THE CENTER ... CRAZY THINGS BUT IF THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTION I WILL TRY TO TUNE THE FILE WITH THIS

 

Was the oscillation always a problem, or only after the last versions?

 

[QUOTE = "Karsten Hvidberg, post: 129259, membre: 13679"] L'oscillation a-t-elle toujours posé problème, ou seulement après les dernières versions? [/ QUOTE]
oscillation identique à la version 3.5 qui a une meilleure sensation avec un csw 2.5

oscillation identical to version 3.5 which has a better feeling with a csw 2.5

 

Good question, but I think it has always existed, only I felt it a little less using the thitening, this improved the center a little, making it more stable but it has (as you could see from my files) the huge defect of unbalancing everything else, in fact I had to upset the values, the relax, the curves, the OS, the DS, etc. ... yes I think I can say that it has always been there are not rFuktor files ... now also tried the Formula Ultimate and it's the same, to bear it and make it become let's say a vibration I have to keep the LFB between 0 and 4. .. but if I have to tune it so I do it for me no problem ... the situation is coherent and enjoyable

 

@LE GAULOIS ... it's not the file, the difference you feel frome 3.5 to 3.6 is just the different feeling for the slight code changes between one version and another ...

@Karsten Hvidberg I did a quick test with a file previous to the rFuktor and without changes that is default and it is the same ... if I enable the thitening it is reduced but it is always noticeable and increasing however the problem arises that it is no longer current at least the values and curves ... a bit like I did before to find balance

If I lower the LFB, on the other hand, the exponential growth of the sway in acceleration on the center starts and stabilizes just like a steering wheel that wobbles on the roughness of the asphalt should be ... the same thing in braking starts to sway slightly stopping at the locking of the wheels. .. in short, between 0 and 4 it seems consistent with how a steering wheel should be!!!

 

Ok, it seems the next file will be tomorrow, still stuff to adjust...

 

@Karsten Hvidberg @Shadak

Incredible, with LFB 2 I can drive all the cars as well as the ones I hated ... both those where the front was more or less vague, and those where the rear tended to start ... now they are all settled .. guys do not fix or upset anything please ... just add the improvements you thought before this discussion for the next 3.7!!!! Let us investigate first without stopping the current evolution

I don't know if the reasoning is replicable on the other bases but try it (maybe not only for DDs but try it):
1) use the 3.6 default file with only the setting of your center (in my case 0.8) and no other changes, absolutely nothing except at most the effects, but nothing else;
2) Then set LFB = 2 (or a range 0-4);
3) Start with Ultimate 2019 at SPA and go up with Gain to the crop limit and even a little further (the important thing is that you don't notice it in the steering wheel, it doesn't matter if you see a red bar) ... that's what it is the maximum GAIN (For me it was 76);
4) Now set on LowEnd wheel the DP (power stering) with a reduction of +/- 10 units of value compared to the GAIN and you have your DP or Power Steering (in my case 66) and for DDs the value that is to your liking based on the above gain value;
5) Season with FX to taste in my case also 66.

Summarizing i have now in game 76-2-66-66 with rFuktor 3.6 and center 0.8

For example if your max GAIN is 60, then the DP is 50, the LFB is always 2 and FX to taste with your center.

Then if you want use % */- Gain in setting car... but not necessary for understand

Well now use all the cars you want focusing on driving and the feel of the wheels and remember to load default setup on all car ... leave out curbs, scrubs, textures and all the other items ... just focus on consistency, angles and greed... for me it was enlightening how all cars were with the front placed on the ground, with the rear under my control, with a very informative tires and OS and DS, etc. etc. etc. ... WELL I HAVE ENJOYED AS NEVER EVER ... AND TOMORROW I WILL ONLY FOCUS ON TUNING THE SECONDARY PARAMETERS TO MY PLEASURE (curbs, scrubs, textures and all the other items) ... a miracle that I hope is not only in my head and that it can be replicated on you!!!

 

Ok, dumb question from a dummie.

I'm still using 3.1 and being a tech dummie have been put off using any of the newer files as they seem to come as a page with edit notes that I don't understand how to use. I'm one of those people that's worried they'll do irreparable damage - an idiot, essentially!

If I wanted to use @Ray Sheppard setup from page 1 for the CSL Elite do I download the notes then open up my 3.1 file and change settings to those in the linked file from Ray then just save as? Or is there a simple file to download that I'm missing?

 

there’s many things that have changed since then . but if you wanted to use that particular tune of rays , then you need to download it to be sure .
then just copy and paste into my docs ams2 folder. Just make sure you rename it if it has anything other than
ffb_custom_settings
in file name .
the same applies to newer files which offer much more now .

 

^
Ignore the post above. It's so easy even I can do it. Great feeling too - thanks to everyone who has worked on this and shared for people like me.

 

Thanks Kuku - I think I've done it. The difference is actually quite dramatic too which makes me think I've done it correctly.

I take my hat off to guys like you who tinker, improve and share - the changes over the months have been astonishing.

 

Just make sure you back up the file you are using now, download the file you want, and put it in the same folder as the one you are using now and make change the name of the downloaded file to ffb_custom_settings.txt Done.

Edit - Whoops too late with reply.

 

Be aware that files older than RF 3.5 will have the rain bug (wheel goes very weird in rain conditions). I'm currently using the default RF 3.5 file because of this. I plan to wait for the next file before tweaking any further.

 

The guts of this is way above my pay grade
but the great thing about the way the files are written is that you can make adjustments to individual effects without getting into the nitty gritty mind f*#k of the rest of the file .