Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

@Karsten Hvidberg @Shadak

I think this is the only change I will make of much note. Its a pretty special file on the cars ive tried so far.

# Trail adjustments
#

(centering (blend (- 1 trail_scale) 0.22 0.5))
#(force_scale (* 1.5 (/ 0.22 centering)))
(force_scale (blend (- 1 trail_scale) 1.3 0.8))

This way feels more lively and immersive, It gives me more front end and tire feel and more sense of the slip angle.
It does make power oversteer a little more alive and slightly more caution is needed , but the other way feels too docile and almost like cheating, such is the way it self controls the oversteer.

But even with this force scale method, ive now got control and can actually enjoy driving things like the Camaro SS.

edit..
I may change my mind on this yet, some cars are a little loose..
And I’m find more lfb again is improving things , so still need to play around.

 

I'm an idiot ... don't laugh at the outburst, but I'm pretending to be in the mirror and tell myself to my face ... the beauty is that I'm at work and I can't test how stupid I am!!!

@Peter Stefani, since you also have the G920, I need your confirmation later ... not if i am stupid or not ... but on a parameter that I was wrong to convert ... even if I were a child at asylum!!!!

At least I hope....

 

Ask away anytime my friend. I hope there aren't any wrong parameters, but if there is, it didn't break anything so far. LOL

 

Thanks @Peter Stefani ... no it's all correct now I just want a confirmation ... I know that you don't use the tightening now and I don't want you to change your mind or judgment ... I don't even ask you to know the satisfaction ... . let's get to the point my simple question is this:

With these 2 lines and with these small values change your emotion with your file without changing anything else ??

(tighten_range 0.0050) #Use for lower end wheel bases.
(tighten_falloff 0.0005) #Use for lower end wheel bases.

The question is extended to all (DDs included) ... not just to Logitech owners ... the answers I would like are:
- I don't notice any differences;
- there is just something different but maybe it is a placebo;
- the difference is minimal, nothing that cannot be realigned with a different little tuning.

Try it with all the cars you want, even the most unpleasant ones to you (except the karts, for now, leave it alone) .... on all the cars I have tried my answer is among those proposals ... I am only interested in making sure if someone is creates problems otherwise I have to change direction ... then I'll explain let me know

I leave you just a clue:
(output (if output (if (+ tighten_range tighten_falloff) (tighten output tighten_range tighten_falloff) output) output))

 

@Stakanov
I haven't used TR/TF since 01/23/2021 in version 6-6-5-43_5-2.
And the values I used were TR_0.04 and TF_0.03

So, I'll do your request for experiment and see if I can determine any plus or minus opinions, and let you know ASAP.

 

Thank you dear I know my purpose is not to convince ... I am only interested if you feel differences and if they are non-invasive to be ignored ... take it easy

 

@Stakanov
I check wheel check graph with these values below, and graph is almost perfect straight line down to zero axis points. Wheel used for test is G920.
(tighten_range 0.002
(tighten_falloff 0.0002
In-Game feeling seems to to have no bad effects to any feelings. It did feel like there was a very slight change of improvement in center tight at top dead zero position of wheel.
I think it's is safe to use these values in the Logitech Series. And most likely ok to use in other low end wheels if they may need it. I don't have access to a DD, so I can't say if any effect is to be made, but values are so small, I imagine that it may make no difference.

 

In regards to the centering and force scales .
i think it’s probably best to just keep as original in file instead of my variant above.

It reduces inconsistencies between vehicles. It helps keep the weight in the wheel and centre tighter.
while the trail scale force scale adds some details it also opens up the centre a bit an some cars like the 99 stock car that have loose centre become a bit erratic and a mix of too light but with strong peaks in bumps stuff.

I’m finding lfb in the range of 60 is good and the higher i go over say 30 the more dampened the knocking from jolts feel and centre feels more balanced.

 

@Peter Stefani perfect, I agree and confirm ... I tested this reduced value 0.002 and 0.0002 and also on the karts (which are very sensitive) I felt (as you say) that there was a slight improvement change in the narrow center in the top dead zero position of the wheel ... but the feeling does not change and the logic of Karsten's basic settings at all and everything works as the original would like ... I also agree that the value is so small that no low-end wheel and/or med-end wheel may have a TR / TF lower than this ... is activated only the mechanism!!!

 

@Karsten Hvidberg ... many months ago, there was talk of Tighten and you wondered if there could be a value that was unique for all steering wheels ... obviously if you want to cover the real dead zones this value does not exist or rather it is different from steering wheel flying (therefore impossible) and then using a single random value there would be flying with the dead zone recovered and others not because the zone itself is much higher.

But here comes my "stupid" idea: if the purpose was, not to cover the dead zone, but to activate only the tighten mechanism, regardless of whether it is audible or not, to have a different behavior on the center (or rather on the position of force equal to 0), then I thought that it would be enough to enter the lowest value among all the belt or gear steering wheels on the market (and perhaps also DD as they are also equipped with a micro dead zone even if hooked directly to the shaft) ... and since the output is this:

(output (if output (if (+ tighten_range tighten_falloff) (tighten output tighten_range tighten_falloff) output) output))

practically all the forces (whatever they are and if they are lower than the sensitive minimum of the steering wheel) will be increased by the tighten range and at the speed of the falloff ... but it would not change anything in the file, it would be inserted but not felt (it increases the forces only in a decimal way) , but it would activate a different attitude on the zero force position with an imperceptible stabilizing effect that can't bother anyone ... and this applies to all steering wheels ... to be ascertained on the DD but I think that such a low value is inaudible there too !!!

With these premises on tighten, I have practically finished my tuning on the 3.7 file which is a collection of the values present in your original 3.7, but also some values relating to 3.6 and especially to 3.5 very pleasant to many ... it is a very ordinary tuning and not overwhelming but it will be suitable not only for Logitech but possibly it will be usable by almost everyone ... to see the DDs!!!

Thanks to @Peter Stefani for the support in chat ...

 

NAME: Silver Raw-rFuktor3.7 - Tuned by Stakanov for All Wheels and Logitech (29/04/2021)
In game controller setting select "Custom" with this starting value:
GAIN 76* LFB 66 FX 66 DP 66. (For DDs LFB 2 and GAIN, FX and DP to taste)
*Then, in the car setting, use +/- % of Gain to taste!!

The values are those of rFuktor 3.7 with some references to 3.6 and 3.5 in particular we have:

(tighten_range 0.0020) Not audible only for activate
(tighten_falloff 0.0002) Not audible only for activate
(center_full 0.8) Original was 0.3
(under_steer_scale 0.04) Original was 0.3 the value is reference to 3.6 and 3.5
(exaggerate_front_load_feel 0.1) Original was 0.0
(exaggerate_front_load_feel_hi_df 0.1) Original was 0.0
(static_force_reduction_hi_df 0.13) Original was 0.10
(rear_grip_loss_feel 0.05) Original was 0.06 the value is reference to 3.6 and 3.5
(slip_crossover_pos 0.1) Original was 0.06 the value is reference to 3.5
(damping 0.15) Original was 0.10 the value is reference to 3.5
(front_drive_torque_feel 0.8) Original was 0.7
(front_tyre_stretch_feel 0.005) Original was 0.006 the value is reference to 3.5
(micro_bumps_scale 0.3) Original was 0.6
(engine_scale_at_still 0.9) Original was 0.7
(scrub_scale 0.6) Original was 0.5

In the dynamic adjustment to bump feel based on car weight i disable only the connection to the suspension for reduce jumps with the Formula Ultimate 2019 car

(bump_weight_scale (/ 500 (/ (+ corner_FL corner_FR) 9.8)))
(bump_weight_scale (+ 1 (* bump_feel_follow_weight (- bump_weight_scale 1))))
(texture_scale (* texture_scale bump_weight_scale))
(micro_bumps_scale (* micro_bumps_scale bump_weight_scale))
(kerbs_surface_scale (* kerbs_surface_scale bump_weight_scale))
(kerb_bump_scale (* kerb_bump_scale bump_weight_scale))
#(suspension_scale (* suspension_scale bump_weight_scale))

At the END in the Kart i I added only this line to reset "center_full 0.8" to default 0.3
(center_full (if isKart 0.3 center_full))

I hope you like it, but regardless, Karsten & Co. has always made magic, we are only humble testers ... thanks to them as always!!!

 

well don't over think it whatever you end up doing - there will probably be a few more revisions yet and a patch. Going to need to wait to see after the patch more than likely. Driving on a tx servo base and using lfb at 60-65, currently 66, and dampener at 40 and gain at 95 (100 in most cars specifically)...its been a dream, very few flat cars if at all. Just some better than others but no bad ones.

edit: I have come to see AMS2 is very different from other games in braking and the like so I am trying not to compare it to other titles.

 

I’m not sure where you coming from ?
I’m not likely to make any significant tuning changes.

 

You give a running commentary. Save your struggle. Unless you like over analyzing.

I am just giving a counter argument, its been literally 100% fine since version 3.4. He is not joking about it being rock solid.

Your best bet is to get a dd (note that I have a belt drive)

 

It’s called feedback .
an important part of development...

 

your settings are close to mine although i have slightly lower gain and tend to keep power steering ( damper) at 50.

And it feels great
The brake feel in this file is extraordinary, and it’s helping braking confidence no end, this is brilliant for someone not running load cells.

 

Hey Kuku,

is there a URL to your latest tune for the T300RS ?

 

i havent done a tune, its not needed

I think the only change I've got running is minor brake feel reduction and minor static force HF increase.
2-3 points for each.
my settings are roughly around 60/60/10-20/50 depending on car. and with TM settings 100/100/0/0

 

And the very latest "fine tune" for the FANATEC CSL ELITE PS4??? Any avalable??

 

Here's rFuktor 3.8.

Hot off the @Shadak / @Panos Schoino press.
We also identified a serious bug in 3.7 in the process too!

@Shadak / @Panos Schoino might add some comments.

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