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Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

Discussion in 'Automobilista 2 - General Discussion' started by Karsten Hvidberg, May 30, 2020.

  1. Karsten Hvidberg

    Karsten Hvidberg Well-Known Member

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    I think you forgot to attach the file? Also the file link in your description does not work :)
     
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  2. Kuku

    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    I just updated the original post with new file
    but here it is as well.
    I will have to edit my signature with new link later . ;)

    While i have your attention.
    i really like the feel of higher brake feel as it is kinda progressive into the corner.
    but there is a issue of the initial bite being too sharp , adjusting weight value seems to help a little but has trade off.

    edit: V3 ,inclusion of brake fix
     

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  3. Karsten Hvidberg

    Karsten Hvidberg Well-Known Member

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    Down the file there are these lines:
    (brake_centering_l (+ 1 (* 2 brake brake_feel (power grip_fl 4))))
    (brake_centering_r (+ 1 (* 2 brake brake_feel (power grip_fr 4))))

    maybe change them to:

    (brake_centering_l (+ 1 (* 2 (power brake 1.3) brake_feel (power grip_fl 4))))
    (brake_centering_r (+ 1 (* 2 (power brake 1.3) brake_feel (power grip_fr 4))))

    And adjust that 1.3 coef as you need it?
     
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  4. Fizzy

    Fizzy Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I tried your file, and I really like it -thanks.

    It's not too different from the file I've been using. I'm currently tweaking my file with some of your settings, I'll post when I'm happy with it.
     
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  5. sampopel

    sampopel Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Copy back the contents of a single folder at a time and retry the game after each. For example, if you copy back the entire contents of the Replays folder and the game is still fine, then you know they're not the problem and you can keep these files. Once you establish which folder causes the problem, you can even try a file (or few files) within that folder at a time until you establish which individual file(s) causes the problem.

    Obviously only worth this effort if you have anything saved that is particularly precious to you.
     
  6. Kuku

    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    Yeah that’s definitely a fix, now just need to see what feel can be achieved, but it feels decent and progressive enough before locking at that, with brake feel back up to 1.5 and weight back to .30
    Will play around in next day or so.
     
  7. Richard Busch

    Richard Busch New Member

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    Thanks Kuku. This works just great with my T300.
     
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  8. Lab Pong

    Lab Pong OG Sim'er

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    Thanks for your input here! I am generally finding the same things you are with my CSW 2.5. Your also correct...the rumble strips are way to heavy on the FF response and the scrubbing is lacking a bit.

    Going to try your tweaked 4.0.....what in game FF settings are you using with it?
     
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    Alegunner68 Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    st: 131387, member: 27831"]Thanks for your input here! I am generally finding the same things you are with my CSW 2.5. Your also correct...the rumble strips are way to heavy on the FF response and the scrubbing is lacking a bit.

    Going to try your tweaked 4.0.....what in game FF settings are you using with it?[/QUOTE]
    Can't remember exactly, but in the ballpark of 65,15,65,5.
     
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  10. Karsten Hvidberg

    Karsten Hvidberg Well-Known Member

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    rFuktor 4.1 high end file.

    Finely tuned again by @Shadak & @Panos Schoino. Amazing what these guys feel on their DD wheel bases.

    Combines the best parts from 3.8 & 4.0 and adds:

    * Improved grip loss feel on understeer.
    * Much improved tear & scrub windows of action.
    - Work better across all car types.
    - Finely tuned around grip loss. Tear up to grip edge, scrub then taking over.
    * Improved feel of "bite". More feeling from the tyres lose and regain grip.
    * "center_full" now controlled by the LFB slider as well. This makes the LFB slider make even more sense, better control of the center full feeling.
    * "brake_coef" added with value 1.3, idea by @Kuku Maddog. Softens the very beginning of brake feel a little.
    * @Panos Schoino put in the extra time to also adjust for better Kart feel.

    It should be mostly straight forward to carry over most values from the other tunes to this, we hope!
     

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  11. Kuku

    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    Very short test ( about 3 cnrs) but liking the slip feel over previous values.

    is it just scale changes, or is there a deeper change in rack code needed to transfer.

    brakes oddly still had a sharp spike initially.
     
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    Karsten Hvidberg Well-Known Member

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    There are changes in code this time, as well as scales and the Lfb slider that affects the center_full value too.
     
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  13. Shadak

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    The heavy braking feel was kind of my idea I admit, on DD1 it now feels quite balance as we reduced the overall scale a bit too. The idea behind this is that in most race cars the sensation during braking is extremely strong, even not extremely fast Porsche Cup and M3 when I braked hard after a long straight, it overwhelmed any other feelings around the track :) including cornering G.

    Anyway, where is @Stakanov and his tests :) not sure if it was him who mentioned this but 4.1 should have much better and more balanced tearing and scrub, I think it got a bit muted in 4.0
     
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  14. Kuku

    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    the brake feel is a amazing feature.
    But the issue was that it was basically giving a lock up effect as soon as I touched the brakes , even just a half press even though the brakes were not locked, then it would behave as expected afterwards.

    The fix we applied to my file worked brilliant and I get a nice progressive pressure feeling before locking, which then gives a bit of a spike just before going lite.

    I'm not sure if the sensitivity of pot brake's over load cell has a role in this initial spike ?
     
  15. JoKeR

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    Agreed. 4.0 is really good, but this was the only part where I was trying to get some improvements in it (hence my question few posts behind). Firing up AMS2 to test 4.1 now.
    EDIT: feeling of loosing grip is much better now.
     
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  16. Michael Enright

    Michael Enright Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I just tried 4.1 but for me it goes very light as soon as I start to turn. It feels almost as if the front wheels are in the wet on slicks. I have tried all sorts of in-game FFB settings, with little change. All other rFuktor files give me a front end feeling, just not 4.1. Anything I should be looking at? Thanks
     
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    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    Yes it possibly does get a little too light.
    i noticed the front stretch feel has been lowered from .006 to .005 .
    maybe try put that back up and see if it helps front end feel.
     
  18. Karsten Hvidberg

    Karsten Hvidberg Well-Known Member

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    It sounds weird, which car is doing this?
    Also what settings did you use for 3.8 & 4.0 that don't work with 4.1?

    But in general, if you find the slip is too pronounced, you can adjust this:
    (slip_crossover_line2_start_y 0.25)
    and lower the 0.25 slightly.
     
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  19. Marnus Zwarts

    Marnus Zwarts Boost Creep AMS2 Club Member

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    Hey @Karsten Hvidberg, pls update the OP with the new versions as they get released. It'll really help to get quick access to the latest files. I've been checking the OP regularly and I'm still on 3.6 :eek:, not that there's anything wrong, but I like new stuff :D. Thanks for the great work here btw.
     
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  20. Michael Enright

    Michael Enright Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I have been giving the Stockcar 2021 a bash lately. I tried 4.1 completely stock to start with, and then changed some of the settings to the same as I had in 4.0. But nothing seemed to give me any feel when turning. Have upped & Lowered LFB, Gain and Damping, still with no real answer. Went back to 3.7, 8 etc etc and all brought about the return of the front end feeling. I'll try changing that line and see what happens.
    Could you tell me what changing the numbers 1.3 and/or 4 in the lines
    (brake_centering_l (+ 1 (* 2 (power brake 1.3) brake_feel (power grip_fl 4))))
    (brake_centering_r (+ 1 (* 2 (power brake 1.3) brake_feel (power grip_fr 4))))
    would do.
    Thanks for your efforts. It has definitely changed AMS2 for me, in a very good way.
     
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