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Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

Discussion in 'Automobilista 2 - General Discussion' started by Karsten Hvidberg, May 30, 2020.

  1. Marnus Zwarts

    Marnus Zwarts Boost Creep AMS2 Club Member

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    Yeah th
    Yeah, this is about it. I just differ in FF 30, FEI 100, FX 65 - this is for much lighter FFB and still some good feel through the wheel.
     
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  2. Karsten Hvidberg

    Karsten Hvidberg Well-Known Member

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    A trick for newcomers:

    You can control the center strength in 2 different ways, leading to very different feel of the steering, so if you are not happy with whatever you are doing, try the other way:
    * Use lfb slider.
    or
    * Increase the in-game gain and ALSO increase the in-game damping. This strengthens the whole range, but then relaxes the cornering strength(as the damping slider is used for power-steering in rFuktor).

    It makes a big difference and many times it is far better to use method 2.
    Same different methods can be used for softening the center or strengthening the cornering.
     
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  3. Karsten Hvidberg

    Karsten Hvidberg Well-Known Member

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    Here is an experimental rFuktor 4.5.

    * Fixes: the hard jerk on grip loss end.
    * Experiment: Lfb adjusts the center slightly different, by not adjusting the "center full", but adjusts lfb, caster trail length and gain/damping combination.
     

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  4. Kuku

    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    Hi
    Short test through the lfb range with tuning values in place , and no changes to centre full or relax.

    Felt quite springy or rubber band effect.
    less springy at low Lfb but more load details at higher Lfb .
     
  5. Panos Schoino

    Panos Schoino New Member

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    Try with higher damping than what you have been using with 4.4
     
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  6. Kuku

    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    Yes will give that a go tonight, i’ve actually started going to almost zero damper ( power steering) with my tune, finding even better tyre feel with it.
     
  7. Kuku

    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    so I have tried with increased centre full to get straight ahead and low angle feel the same as what I’m used to.
    And with a fair bit of fiddling with Lfb and damperi still end up with mid to low lfb and similar damper, I can get a decent response, but it’s still a bit to rubber bandy for my liking, it feels more toyish in a way. Its not bad at all, and I could comfortably keep it, but I prefer my tune with the old way, it feels more realistic.

    It may well serve gear driven wheels well by giving a more constant pull on wheel.
     
  8. Karsten Hvidberg

    Karsten Hvidberg Well-Known Member

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    I think prob. 4.5 EXP is better for dd and possibly csw or csl.

    The lines that fix the jolt on grip loss end should be used in 4.4, however.
    So I think I will make a 4.5 file where that is the only difference.
     
  9. Kuku

    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    i can’t say i have noticed a jolt ?
    Do you mean so sudden loss of strength rather than a jolt
     
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    torsteinvh Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    To get in the mood for the weekend I did a bit of Formula Ultimate at Monaco, and found 4.5 EXP to be much better on my DD1 than 4.4. With 4.4 it felt like my rig would shake apart, and seeing the notes about 'jolts on grip loss' I think that was the cause.
     
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  11. Karsten Hvidberg

    Karsten Hvidberg Well-Known Member

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    When coming to a halt from a slide it would jolt the steering.
    I think also coming to a stop from understeer.
     
  12. Karsten Hvidberg

    Karsten Hvidberg Well-Known Member

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    I do think the changed center feel also is better in 4.5 from 4.4.
     
  13. Kuku

    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    Oh ok, that used to be a bigger issue on older files but didn’t seem too bad since new scrub and tear.
     
  14. geekyhawkes

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    Just tried this on my G29 and it feels great. Any tips on the personal optimizations I could look into beyond tweaking Gain per car?
     
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    Stakanov Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Obviously everything can be revised based on your own tastes ... in the game nothing prevents you from using the 4 cursors in the way you like best, my advice starting from 78-74-65-55 is just a starting point or rather it represents my average that allows me to use all (or almost all) of the AMS 2 machines, possibly modifying only the gain to adjust the specific steering hardness for that car.
    As advice I can tell you that if you change the GAIN a little (up or down) you can leave the rest unchanged, however, if for a specific car, you have to go up or down a lot, then it is advisable to go down or up a little also the DP (which represents in the rFuktor files the power-steering) ... then GAIN + high, DP + high and vice versa !!!
    Leaving aside the GAIN, for example there are cars that could use an FX lower than 65 (because it transmits too invasive effects) and others that could use a higher FX instead ... but these are tests that you have to do based on your own tastes ... mine are quite seasoned and I prefer high FX.

    But the real personal improvement you could get by starting to fiddle with the individual voices within the file, it is not complicated and often what a voice does is highlighted with the notes, regardless you have to proceed step by step, if you like leave the modification otherwise go back and move on to the next item.
    One of the nice things about Karsten & Co files is that, in addition to the normal settings, you can tune a lot of further parameters as if in the game you had submenus with further sliders that regulate many other aspects ... the password is so DO EXPERIMENTS!!! :)

    Thanks for the feedback ;)
     
  16. geekyhawkes

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    Thank you! Into the abyss I go
     
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  17. Kuku

    Kuku Flying Kiwi AMS2 Club Member

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    if I increase the trail scale multiple from 2 to 3 in file, I feel it allows me to have lower power steering damper slider, and it feels quite good and consistent, without being to springy , suit’s some cars more than old way .
     
  18. mdecker79

    mdecker79 Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    rFuktor 4.4 felt great on my DD1

    Experimental rFuktor 4.5 feels even better on my DD1. I do like the center feel and I did not make any changes to my FFB in game as I left it as is.

    On the wheel I run:
    FF: 44
    LIN: Off
    NDP: 26
    NFR: 12
    NIN: 12

    In game I run:
    65/40/50/50

    And I must say it feels great and great immersion while in VR.
     
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  19. Dean Ogurek

    Dean Ogurek "Love the Simulation You're Dreaming In." AMS2 Club Member

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    I agree, this version works really well for me also.
     
  20. Gaspedal

    Gaspedal New Member AMS2 Club Member

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    thank you very much. This File works perfectly for me. Great effects!
    Tested with DD1 and CSL Elit PS4 Wheel!!! I'm happy now!
     
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