Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

Discussion in 'Automobilista 2 - General Discussion' started by Karsten Hvidberg, May 30, 2020.

  1. Danielkart

    Danielkart Well-Known Member

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    they would have to be more specific. With which custom file? Or with everyone? My custom actually has very little oscillation. Of course I don't know your base, maybe it's a problem with the base settings? And reset all car setups to default because there was an update
     
  2. Stakanov

    Stakanov Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Sorry guys I had guests at home and I could not devote myself to the game ... it was pleasant but I wanted to exterminate everyone :D
    Yes @Danielkart I agree in the final version of the update the velocity and the exaggerate does not help as before and must be lowered ... I want to delete the whole folder Automobilista2 and recalibrate everything just to be sure there are no surprises ... sometimes it happened to me. ;)
     
  3. Danielkart

    Danielkart Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that might be a good thing if they delete everything. That's why I always wait until the final version is really there. What irritates me a little that it now also fits quite well for belt bases. The final update version is certainly responsible for a little. But I think most of it is due to the changes in my slide_factor and RL_slide and RR_slide values. I was able to lower the value (vel_rot_limit_coef) in version 30 to 1.4. It could also be that this value can be lowered even further for belt bases. Anyway, I'm very happy with my custom file, the update was very good for certain cars :)Regards
     
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  4. Stakanov

    Stakanov Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Sorry for the delay, but I'm sure you will understand why ... :D:D:D

    5.0.1.4.jpg

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    Name: rFuktor 5.0.1.4 - "ATMOS 4.1 (4xFX.1WHEEL)" MOD V. 1.0
    Mod and Tuned by Stakanov for All wheels

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    # ADVISES FOR LOGITECH G923/G920/G29

    1) In game setting, select "Custom" with this starting value:
    GAIN 95* - LFB 25 - FX 65 (+/- 10 to taste) - DP (Damping) 15.
    *Then, in the car setting, use +/- % of Gain for car to taste!!!
    2) Logitech HUB Setting
    Last version with default value
    (900° and all sensitivity to 50)
    3) AMS2 Game Menù Setting
    900° - All deadzone to 0 - All sensitivity to 50 except the throttle on range 20-30
    If you use manual clutch try to set also this slide of sensitivity on range 20-30

    # ADVISES FOR OTHER LOW/MED GEAR/BELT WHEELS (All brands)
    1) In game try to start with your usual value or with this starting range-value:

    GAIN 50-95* - LFB 00-25 - FX 30-70 - DP (Damping) 15-25.
    *Then, in the car setting, use +/- % of Gain for car to taste!!!

    2) Only if you dont like the standard values.... you can change the values of item with those proposed to near ("Alt./DD"), where not indicated set as desired (to taste).

    # ADVISES FOR DD & HIGHEND WHEELS
    1) In game try to start with your usual value or with this starting range-value:

    GAIN 30-80* - LFB 00-20 - FX 30-70 - DP (Damping) 00-15.
    *Then, in the car setting, use +/- % of Gain for car to taste!!!

    2) Only if you dont like the standard values and especially for "DDs" & "High Range" Wheels.... you can change the values of item with those proposed to near ("Alt./DD"), where not indicated set as desired (to taste).
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    The main differences from previous file version "4W Grip & Stretch" Mod V 2.1 are:
    - New Sunspension Code.
    - Improved Kerbs.

    - All the "road features" are now for single wheel: textures, microbumps, largebumps & sunspensions.
    - The "effects" Scrub & Tear were already for single wheel in the previous file but now also the Flatspot is on all 4 reels;
    - "RR/RLSlide" revisited a little;
    - Other small values changed to made more compatible with a unique setup.
    - First re-tuning after last update of AMS 2 V1.3.6.1.


    Always two files, one with the yaw and the other without, I always add the original of @Karsten Hvidberg for your convenience and/or to be able to compare them easily, usually the one without the yaw is more suitable for DD but it is not a mandatory choice , try them both and set them to your tastes. ;)

    I hope you like :D, probably the values of the previous version can also be used in this one and the way to retune the file (with your tastes) is the same as before, but change the values of the item/objects one at a time and test on more machines, the result could be different both for the recent update and both for the new working of the MOD ... here is all ok but have pity if some small detail obviously needs improvement. ;)

    Unfortunately, from tomorrow I will be missing for about a month, maybe I will return home every end or every 2 weeks, so I will not be able to easily send you other files for now ... if I can (and I really hope so), I will answer by mobile phone ... if you will use this file, very calmly and without haste, it would be nice and useful to have sent (even the private one) a copy of your files tuned to your tastes, so as soon as I come back I will quickly know what to update ... thanks to all I love you guys!!! :)

     
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  5. AntoAntoDD

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    First impression @Stakanov, YAW version with T300 … i like i lot … need a little retune but the start of this v1.0 is incredible … the road is live and the moviment of suspensions and kurbs are great… thanks for this!!! :)
     
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  6. Manolo

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    +1 Yaw version, here (with the same wheel) is fantastic :), thanks for your work @Stakanov and good luck!!! ;)
     
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  7. newtonpg

    newtonpg Active Member AMS2 Club Member

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    +1 Yaw version here.
    Impressive version ATMOS 1.0, perfect in all aspect, car & road.
    Thank you all at this Custom FFB project.
    Special thanks to Stakanov!
     
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  8. EcoBrum

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    I'm still not good at moving with the items in the files, but on my station that you see in signature with settings they both work very well out of box, yaw and no. Impressive.;)
    Congratulations and thanks @Stakanov :)
     
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  9. AntoAntoDD

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    Test with DD1 and No Yaw version file, @Stakanov this is very informative and consistent, wonderful file. :)
    I also trying the Yaw version, rather not bad!!! ;)
     
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  10. Stakanov

    Stakanov Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Sorry but I could not leave tomorrow (i.e. in a few hours) leaving Karsten's Momentum Rack without adjusting the last object that was not yet calculated for each single wheel, I am referring precisely to the kerbs ... I would not like that in my assent, turn late during curves, passing over the curbs only with the rear wheels and do not feel the effect ... caution is never too much!!! :p

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    Name: rFuktor 5.0.1.4 - "ATMOS 4.1 (4xFX.1WHEEL)" MOD V. 1.1 (With & Without YAW)
    Mod and Tuned by Stakanov for All wheels
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    The main differences from previous file version "ATMOS 4.1 (4xFX.1WHEEL)" Mod V 1.0 are:
    - Also Kerbs are now for 4 single wheels and not only on front left/right.

    The rest is unchanged, then it can only improve with your personal settings. ;)

    Bye and goodnight!!! :)
     
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  11. JoKeR

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    Jurassic G25 here. ATMOS 1.0 with yaw is the new keeper. Thanks, Stakanov.
     
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    Stakanov Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Thanks @JoKeR and all ... download the update 1.1 is the same of 1.0 but with the kerbs for 4 wheels ... nothing change!!! ;)
     
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  13. Tiago Ribeiro

    Tiago Ribeiro You must first finish AMS2 Club Member

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    @Stakanov brilliant settings!

    Tested with my DD1. In-game: Gain 75, LFB 0, FX 30, Damping 0. Fanalab: SEN AUT, FF 80, LIN ON, NDP OFF, NFR OFF, NIN 2, INT OFF, FEI 20, FOR 100, SPR 100, DPR 100, BLI OFF, SHO 100

    ATMOS 4.1 No Yaw version.

    Porsche 911GT3R, Nurburgring Veedol

    Very Informative and nice on corners.
     
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    Danielkart Well-Known Member

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    Wow, I'm really looking forward to testing their latest custom files Stakanov. But unfortunately I can only test in the evening, I am happy to give you feedback if you want? Nice day all:)
     
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  15. EcoBrum

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    I agree with you, really informative, I also use the ATMOS 1.1 NO YAW version with CSL DD 8Nm and among other things with very similar values to yours even if my base is a little weakened compared to yours, in fact I can also well use the Yaw version. ;)

    Driver: Last available with SEN Auto, FFB 100, FFS PEAK, NDP OFF, NFR OFF, NIN OFF, INT OFF, FEI 20, FOR 100, SPR 100, DPR 100. Cursor in game: Gain 75, LFB 00-05, FX 35-45, DP 00-15.
     
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    Danielkart Well-Known Member

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    I am happy to see that the Fanatec settings are also well received by other people. For a long time I've been of the opinion that the FEI value should go down:)
     
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    Danielkart Well-Known Member

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    I was able to test Stakanov's Custom over the afternoon. Only one hour but that's enough for a first assessment, of course I'll test more precisely and longer. Please no hate comments or bad words, like Stakanov I try to make the custom as good as possible. And I also pass on what I notice or might work better. My custom is not perfect either and there will always be something to improve. And it's criticism on a very high level with these custom files. Believe me, I don't care who made the custom and I would change immediately if it were better. Rob once described it very well that there should be a constant battle between car and track and the steering always at the limit. I compared the V1.1 without yaw, and this also with dd values and values according to the original. You can also test it yourself and see and feel what I have tested myself. Test1: Formula USA Gen. 1 with the Lola T95 car on the Road America track. The vibrations are still too much for me personally (taking both hands off the wheel is almost impossible). The steering becomes very heavy and hard in the corners. In the long, fast bends, pay attention to the ffb display, the line will remain very flat and the bumps in the track are much less noticeable. Compare it yourself to see and feel it. (scrub_vibes_scale must be 0 with dd in any case. Everything above that results in extreme tugging and tearing on the steering (can be felt when starting at full throttle) but even 0 is still too much tugging on the steering axle. In the 2nd test with the GT1 Mc Laren can also test it out for themselves what I mean by that and feel, as I said, I don't want to downplay Stakanov's work.These are just suggestions for improvement so that our files get better
     
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    Test 2: GT1 Mc Laren F1 at the Imola circuit. Actually, the jumping and bouncing of the cars got better with the update from Reiza. But unfortunately it is very bad with the V1.1 (suspension). Test it yourself, drive out of the garage and keep to the far right. Accelerate in 1st gear and watch the ffb line and feel the beats and bounce. Then with my custom, it's a big difference. Of course, this also makes car control more difficult. As I said, this is criticism on a high level, but I think if Stakanov and his people can improve it, then it will be awesome. Greetings from Switzerland:)
     
  19. EcoBrum

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    Mr. @Danielkart I think it is more useful to communicate which values you would change in the file to improve it, than to do an analysis without the solutions and with a continuous comparison, among other things Stakanov has already communicated that this is an initial melody to be tuned and improved, but with only an analysis talkative about what you like best I don't think it goes far.
    I don't think that mr Stakanov wants this, I think from expert users that he wants practical advice on how to improve it. These are a discussions that can be done in private if without solution and only a list of bad emotions!!! ;)
    I am not an expert and I am not able, but I think that the experts also expect the correction, why don't you try to correct what you want and don't send them the inputs or the file with your modify? I think it helps him more!!! No?

    I notice some things too, but I notice many others ... the file is wonderfull with all the initial variables to fix!!
    Mr. @Stakanov if I find some value that improves what I don't like, I will communicate it to him hoping it will help you
     
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    I have to test and analyze first, that's completely normal. The file is from Stakanov, I can't just put everything right right away. There are countless variations and possibilities. I don't have the overview with his custom that I have with my custom. I always pass on my feedback and what I notice, you would also know that if you followed the thread:)
     

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