Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

Discussion in 'Automobilista 2 - General Discussion' started by Karsten Hvidberg, May 30, 2020.

  1. F.Santos

    F.Santos Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Check your fanatec drivers if they are installed up to the most recent firmware. LFB needs to be added even if to 1 otherwise it will generate some erratic behaviour from the wheel.
    I also had an issue when I had 2 different files for AMS2 and AMS2 beta, so one of them did not have/could not detect the custom file, so in my case no custom file but choosing custom file would create a big wheel problem.
     
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  2. Jefka

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    Ah yeah ofcourse. I did a windows refresh recently and might not have updated drivers afterwards. Will check after the acc 12 hours race tomorrow. Rather not mess with drivers beforehand :) Thanks for the suggestion!
     
  3. Dean Ogurek

    Dean Ogurek "Love the Simulation You're Dreaming In." AMS2 Club Member

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    I had a similar experience last night, I thought it may be due to using the Madness FFB Tool improperly(?). I replaced the "Custom ffb" file with a fresh copy of the original (Heavy Messing 2.4) and the issues were gone.
     
  4. Micropitt

    Micropitt Mediocre driver doing mediocre laps AMS2 Club Member

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    I wonder if somebody can help me out here to understand which of the posted files would go with a Thrustmaster TX. I tried to figure it out by looking through the posts but miserably failed. Currently I have the settings at 80, 50, 50, 40 So, pretty much at default except I lowered the gain from 100 to 80. Thanks in advance.
     
  5. psone

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    @Chip I think I'm experiencing the same thing as you are. Not quite sure how to describe it. It's really apparent on cornering with the AJR. If I watch a replay right after a corner the chassis pitching forward and back seems tomto exactly the feeling coming through the wheel. It's really distracting. I'dl to understand what parameter might allow me dial that sensation down. So far I haven't been able to pinpoint. Other then that I'm blown away by the improvements.

    Using @NuScorpii HM v2.4 + CSL elite
     
  6. Aza340

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    Try this one , best I have found for my G920 . Should suit your thrustmaster as they are fairly similar in output .
    Can't remember off hand if I tweaked anything or not but maybe just increase min force a fraction to tighten up the centre .
     

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  7. NuScorpii

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    You could try reducing the load_scale variable. The load_scale amplifies the ffb depending on the load on the front wheels so if it is during these pitching forwards / backwards events that you mainly find the issue then that is likely to be it. Reducing macro_details may also help.
     
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  8. NuScorpii

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    If you get the issue again I would be interested in seeing a copy of the ffb file in case there are any obvious differences.
     
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  9. Micropitt

    Micropitt Mediocre driver doing mediocre laps AMS2 Club Member

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    Thank you. I'll give it a try
     
  10. Stakanov

    Stakanov Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    it's true ... not at all detracting from the NuScorpii file which is much much much better than the default 0.9.7.0 ... I tried your "Silver Santos v1.0 - F.Santos-Karsten" file used for the g920 and I must say that it is more harmonious and more corresponding to what the car, the shock absorbers and the tires do on the screen ... it is more connected to the visual sensations and the behavior is more predictable ... the reactions to driving and the counter-steering is more natural. .. thanks Aza340
     
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  11. Micropitt

    Micropitt Mediocre driver doing mediocre laps AMS2 Club Member

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    Really like the FFB. It's a keeper :D
     
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  12. Aza340

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    Thank F.Santos-Karsten , so lucky to have brilliant people like them in the community . Agree with your comments , miles ahead of anything else I've tried . I think partly because it's less complicated and not trying to reproduce forces that the g920 / G29 or t150 / t300 aren't capable of .
    Definitely a keeper for me as long as it's still going to be compatible with 1.0 when that finally arrives !
     
  15. F.Santos

    F.Santos Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Thats down to Karstens skills, and it's a great file for sure. He kept as much as he could from the Default file, and added only what was "missing" or too low: kerbs, tyre scrub and micro details.

    It's really good you guys pointing it out cos more and more ppl will come after these files, and they will have a bit of guidance on what works better with different wheels too.
     
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  16. psone

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    @NuScorpii Thanks for your suggestions, I had tried playing around with both of those settings previously. But the effect although less noticeable still felt somewhat off to me. I'll have a play around later. Really appreciate the effort being put into this by both you and Karsten. Also loving the ship names, "Clear Air Turbulence" next please.

    @Stakanov Will have to try Silver Santos next, I tried Silver Bullet yesterday and noticed the same thing you mentioned above. Everything that was happening on screen felt very present/ in sync with what was being transmitted through the wheel. Overall really impressed.

    @Karsten Hvidberg Karsten is there any way I could make the Lock Stop on your profiles stronger? On your last version of Silver Bullet, the only one I've tried it felt a bit soft and was very easy for me to push beyond what should be the limit of rotation.

    @anyone who knows or cares to answer, why is it that in rF2 and ACC ffb is seemingly instant, by that I mean from the moment I get in the car resistance is applied to the wheel. Whereas with AMS 2 and I think I noticed the same thing with R3E ffb seems to ramp up overtime. For example if I exit the pit lane under AI control it takes a while for forces to build up in the wheel, but in rF2 when control is handed over the wheel loads up instantly. Not a criticism, just curious why that is.
     
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  17. Karsten Hvidberg

    Karsten Hvidberg Well-Known Member

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    Hi psone,

    "Silver Raw 2.5" in post #2 of this thread is somewhere in between those files. I tweak it sometimes & did so yesterday/today, since I was racing. You might like it, or maybe not But it's yet another one to give a shot.

    I didn't focus so much on the lock stop since my wheel base handles it for me, but I'll take a look later today or tomorrow. Which silver bullet version was it?

    Reg. instant VS slowly applied forces at start up, I think it's for safety reasons. Some of us have really strong wheel bases that can damage your hands in case of bugs. Specially when custom ffb files can be downloaded it seems like a good decision, as there's no guarantee of thorough QA :)

    Cheers
     
  18. Aza340

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    I believe the gradual ramping of the ffb as you exit the pitlane was introduced quite recently in an attempt to stop the hard right bug that a lot of people were experiencing .
     
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  19. psone

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    @Karsten Hvidberg Thanks for the reply. I just checked the file there and I was actually using "Silver Raw v2.1 - Momentum Rack 2.0". Which I really enjoy. I think I just need to spend some time having a fiddle around with it. The mid corner "bounce/oscilation" I could feel in NuScorpii's HM 2.4 is still present, but not as noticeable. I think that has a lot to do with that feeling of everything being more in sync. Anyway all in all, very happy a great improvement/addition to the stock ffb.

    The lock stop thing isn't a big deal. I can set the rotation on the wheel if it really bugs me. Also thanks to you and @Aza340 for your explanations. That makes perfect sense.
     
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  20. Karsten Hvidberg

    Karsten Hvidberg Well-Known Member

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    Yes, you are completely correct.in silver rack 2.5 the mid corner "bounce/oscilation" can be adjusted along with the general coonection to the "real road" by the "min_reiza_rqck" value. It's set high at default now at 0.5, but if you adjust it down you phase that oscillation out as you go lower, at the cost of the connection to that "real road".

    Cheers
     
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