Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

v45 posted just now: https://forum.reizastudios.com/attachments/silver-raw-6-6-5-45-zip.12470/

Again adjusted well thanks to @Panos Schoino & @Kuku Maddog , so thank you guys!

Also thank you to @Renato Simioni & @Domagoj Lovric for your time & information that made the most important change for this file reg. the directional pull (as well as the yaw) possible.

It is an improvement in many ways & again a version that makes the older ones feel broken when going back
Info in post #2.

 

.45 = Wow! Such smooth transitions of grip
I thought .44 was a step backwards but this a big leap ahead

Karsten, since there is no exaggerate_oversteer in this new format how do you tweak the
oversteer to have less of the rebound tank slap effect?

Thanks Reiza crew for contributing and helping Karsten make the ffb epic!

 

Hey AxisMagi,

There is the "over_steer_scale" that you can lower if you think oversteer is too much, is that enough to adjust as you need?

 

Hey Karsten,

I tried v45 (mid and high end on T300), but I feel it really lacks the vertical loading feel, and with that also bumps coming through the wheel. When switching back to default (1.1.1 update from today), it's there again. Is this intentional?

 

You could try my personal preference settings.
Running Mid file , I only make two small adjustments to internal file and I have more control.

No exaggeration of front load for even balance feels
(exaggerate_front_load_feel 0.0)
(exaggerate_front_load_feel_hi_df 0.0)

and small increase in rear grip loss to reduce oversteer pendulum
(rear_grip_loss_feel 0.2)

Im running Default Thrustmaster CP setting
and in game of 30/45/20/0
It feels 10 out of 10 with the wildly fun formula trainer adv

 

It sounds like wrong settings somehow.
What settings are you using?
The Lfb is different than default and you should not be afraid of setting it high, but depends on gain too.

 

I'm running 75 gain, 25-35 lfb (depending on the mood ), 50 FX and still experimenting with damping...
This was in a race with the Mclaren F1 around Bathurst, where the loading is really obvious. It really seemed to be missing in v45. Otherwise it feels really good in terms of grip.

 

Ok, did these settings work well in any previous version of silver raw for you?

 

Ah, realizing you might want to try a much lower gain.
The FFB will build up with speed now, just like with downforce, so if you start at gain 75, like here, you will hit the roof and then you won't get the feeling of load.

Try gain 30 for a start, to see if you get it back that way.

 

Yeah with previous versions those settings felt good.

I can try lower gain tomorrow, but just fyi I also didn't get the feeling of unload when going over the crest at the top of the hill. With default it was there.

 

Right, earlier versions prior to v44 did not load up on speed alone and we did not add anything in to prevent that load going too high, as was done for the downforce, so it seems that would have been smart to do

But it def. should help to lower the gain to 30.

 

Houston i have a problem ....



Any suggestions???

 

HAHAHA, that's a good one 8)
The yaw_scale is how much you feel the yaw.
The relax center is how much it relaxes it right around center, so you get a slightly more stable feeling center, less flimsy.

So if you feel you have too little yaw feel, increase the yaw_scale.

To avoid oversteering, depending on your car of choice, it can help to increase the value for feel of grip loss on oversteer. It is default at 0.1, but try 0.3 or maybe even 0.4.

I drive like an ass myself, so good thing you didn't paint me in that picture as well!

 

v45 has made a huge difference for me and my CSW2.5/Elite LC. In the past, I never felt in control. I have started conservatively with Gain 50 LFB 50 FX 70 Damp 50 and will tweek from there.

I made one change and upped (scrub_scale 0.5) from 0.3. This is a change I always make as I like more scrub, but for the first time, I may revert it back to 0.3, I will let you know. Testing: Spielberg Porsche 911GT3.

 

Apart from what Karsten suggested already, i would add also to try with very low damping values (0-20) to see if that helps

 

Ok, tried again today with different settings:

Started off with gain 30, LFB 50, FX 50 and damping 0.

Went back to Bathurst with the McLaren F1 to have apples-to-apples comparison.
First impression with these settings; the nice feeling of grip is not there for me, it's just really weak FFB.
Also, the histogram on the telemetry-page of the HUD shows the FFB signal is only in the lower 3 bins. After this I upped to LFB to 70, which feels a little better, at least a bit more feeling of weight. (but less informative than the gain 75 / lfb 30 I was using before).

Going over the mountain at Bathurst with dips and crests, I still feel hardly any loading/unloading in the wheel. Also, maybe more telling: when clipping high curbs (so not just rumble strips, but the more sausage-curb-like ones, there is no jolt in the steering wheel. Similarly, when the front of the car is bouncing after such a curb-jump, the FFB is not transmitting that.

All this time, the FFB histogram shows almost all signal content in the first 3 bins, none in the highest 2.

This is with the mid-end FFB file, dampig at 0 all the time. Thurstmaster settings 75/100/100/0/0.

So overall these changes don't seem to help the feeling of loading, but they harm the feeling of grip which I really like with the v45 file and 75 gain / 30 lfb.

 

I posted a while ago that .31 was the best for me with the DD2 and have tested versions since 41 including the recent 45 .

I still side with version 31 as the others seem to lack weight/resistance when cornering.

These are my settings and other DD2 posts Fanatec DD2 Settings - Share yours

 

Still copy that too, maybe start from there again Karsten, it sure has some magic in it✌️ For example you can watch me sip some coffee still feeling all of my tyres do...when suddenly

With 31 AMS 2 is the king of FFB for sure!

 

Ok,

Please try these 2 small changes in the mid file & let me know what that does for you:
set "limit_high_df" to 0.3
set "velocity_scale" to 0.0

try at different in-game gains, maybe ~50 at first.

Cheers,

-K

 

Hey inthebagbud,

can you try increasing the 2 balance values in the v45 file?
I would like to understand if this is a simple difference or if there's more to it.

They are both at 0.02, please try at 0.06 or so for both of them.

Thanks