Automobilista 2 Force Feedback Overview & Recommendations

@SuperMonaco_GP
Pretty much the same settings for my CS DD+, i don't get alone with any of the custom FFB profiles. I honestly don't understand what people are trying to achieve with them? Even this "Daniel" one i see everyone raving about feels broken to me.

 

I think rFuktor and many rFuktor based profiles that are unique in their own rights due to the work done on them and "carve" their own niche spots like Daniel's file, the main characteristic that I'm always reminded is:
Cleaner signal, less random vibrations or oscillations or less exaggerated effects from nearly anything while the car is rolling.

While Reiza ffb profiles have evolved and tbh are quite capable and usable, and if you find pleasure and precision and consistency with them you might not even want to change, for some people depending on how they expect ffb to behave, sometimes they enjoy custom files.

And there are many unique custom files too like Joaquim's Full bodied ffb with his own unique approach.
Or the "rack force" ffb where the signal becomes insanely clean only outputting the forces acting on the steering axis. OFC it feels also surprisingly light and can be even a bit unnatural with the lightweight centre and overall lesser turning resistance.

I've tried all sorts of things over the years and AMS2 itself has kept evolving the way it drives and feels. For me personally I tend to avoid the game's Damper and FX, I'm inclined towards a more cleaner neutral signal.

In old AC the mods do add better gyroscopic forces and precision, and you can see in real life vs drifting videos where the wheel in games behaves 100% exactly like in real life when the car is self aligning.
I think that's the most important thing I try to achieve in any game or sim regardless.
Certain titles feel very clean but dull, muted and heavy, just weight on the wheel but rarely any info on the car's behaviour. Very few titles are very expressive on FFB and we're lucky to enjoy AMS2 being very good in this department.

IMHO essential car control for me includes the ability to induce oversteer and understeer at will and controlling them, and maybe even small drifts or slides induced by the driver where you can regain control of the car at will from your own inputs and the behaviour of the force feedback.

 

I found this file to be anything but clean, full of vibrations and random oscillations.
All I want is to feel the front go light from understeer, the back when stepping out, so self steer and track and curbs along with the feeling of tyres on the track. I find the standard default perfect, weighty and informative.
I appreciate that there are option though amd it's great the community have stepped in and made these options.

 

<Rien ne va plus>

I'm going "all-in"

 

Full Force is available for the Fanatec CSL DD starting yesterday. Does AMS2 support Full Force?

 

Fullforce isnt supported in Ams2.
And unfortunately the firmware update that brings it to CSL DD/GT DD is very broken.

 

Oh no. I’m just upgrading from my Logitech G27 to a Fanatec GT DD 8nm.
It should be shipping tomorrow… Was hoping for better driving feeling and force feedback although I’ve enjoyed my G27 with AMS2 already.

 

Yes its very worth it! G27/G29 are still great wheels for what you get. I went from G29 to CSL DD. Got the 5Nm version and within a month got the boost kit and load cell pedal. After 3 years still happy with it. Took me a while to get used to the change but well worth it. Honestly you'll have a blast mate.
You should be ok to install app, just dont update firmware until they sort it out. As for Fullforce i believe only AC Evo and iracing support it. GT7 supports it but only for CSDD/+/Podium bases at this time. Same might apply to PMR also. Plenty of enjoyment to be had without Fullforce.
Sorry for long post

 

"Fullforce" will only benefit you in simulations with "weak FFB." For such simulations with little information in the FFB, it can increase immersion. It's also very good to use this additional sound-based FFB in rally sims.

In simulations like AMS 2 or other sims with a lot of information in the FFB, using Fullforce (Fanatec) or Trueforce (Logitech) will actually be detrimental. This can lead to overlaps or collisions, resulting in anomalies and distortions in the FFB. It's a nice addition for games with little feedback in the FFB or in rally games. But for games with already good FFB, it's rather disruptive and unnecessary, and you won't miss or be missing anything in AMS 2.

 

Forget the Fullforce and get yourself a couple of bass shakers instead. I have DD+ but disable the Fullforce

 

Well, I wouldn't dismiss it so harshly. A targeted use of "Fullforce" or "Trueforce" can actually enhance immersion, just like a shaker or other immersion hardware. Furthermore, these audio-based FFB effects can vary significantly between different simulations. Personally, I find this technology particularly interesting for rally games. Unfortunately, it's currently only supported by very few games; iRacing, GT7, and AC Evo support "Fullforce," but rally games don't.

Logitech's "Trueforce" also supports Dirt Rally 2.0, Project CARS, and even AMS2. It could definitely make sense to use this technology with the off-road cars (Formula Dirt/Kart Cross) in AMS2 (Reduce In-Game FX and "On" Trueforce) .

 

So I switched in the wrong direction (from Logitech to Fanatec, although Logitech has this Force-support for AMS2 whereas Fanatec doesn’t). But my old G27 wouldn’t have supported this anyway…

I still hope that I will enjoy my upgrade which has arrived today!

To be honest, I’m a little nervous about setting it up and installing it:
- Will everything work?
- Will I like it?
- Will my desk be able to handle the forces (even “just” 8nm is a lot more power than my old G27)?

Even the massive weight of the boxes (I haven’t unpacked them yet) is a bit intimidating (since I’ll need to be able to move the wheel back and forth (left/right) across the table frequently because I have to share the space with my occasional homeoffice-setup, and that was an easy task with the lightweight G27).

Hopefully, the wiring will work out too (especially when moving it around).

If anyone has any tips (step-by-step instructions for switching from the G27 to the Fanatec or recommation for FF-settings for AMS2 in game settings and Fanatec-software (?)), I’d be very grateful. Thanks a lot!

 

These are my DD1 settings but some things should transfer over. Everyone has their own feeling for this so none of these settings are right or wrong as they have worked for me over the years.

I would highly recommend trying Reiza's custom FFB file first. To get Reiza's custom FFB file all you need to do is rename the current custom FFB file here: Documents\Automobilista 2\ffb_custom_settings.txt

The reason you rename it is so you don't loose the one you have and once you boot the game without a file named ffb_custom_settings.txt in that directory then AMS2 will create Reiza's custom FFB file automatically.

DD1:
SEN: 900
FFB Strength: (your setting)
NDP: 15
NFR: 15
NIN: 0
INT: 2
FEI: 100
FOR: 100
SPR: 100
DPR: 100

In game:
Custom - Reiza custom
Gain: 40
LFB: 0
FX: 25
Damping: 75


Again this is what I use and will be different from others but I get GREAT tire feel and GREAT FFB with these settings. But again that is what works for my brain and things might be different for you.