Automobilista 2 Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

However that's exactly what the developer is saying in the start post of this thread.

Clipping = loss of detail in Force Feedback. You don't need to be a developer to see if this is the case on your wheel if too much force is applied, this graph can be enabled in-game and I use it to tune force feedback for detail instead of just resistance.



This example is on a Brazilian Stock Car on Donington going through the Craner Curves, which are high speed corners where the force usually peaks on most cars. The Red Bar shows the percentage of clipping of all the force that has occured on your wheel. You can also see clipping occur on the line in the graph, where it flat lines This can be either on the bottom (like you see here or on the top (depends if you are going left or right)

You are aiming for the red bar to be empty by preventing not to flat-line or if it does, for the smallest time possible. If that red-bar is filled (to much) that means you are loosing details in your force feedback and you are only experiencing resistance on that point.

Now I don't own a G27 wheel so I can't tell if clipping does indeed occur and most important if the settings you have work for you that's perfect, i'm not saying it's wrong. However if you are seeking ways to experience the most detailed feedback you can have with your wheel this tool will help you a lot and I hope my explanation will help.

 

So, after an evening of testing I've managed to get the G27 feeling better than I had previously with the new FFB profile. I'm sure no G27 is created equally so maybe this works for you, maybe not, but it's worth a shot if you're having problems with the new profile.

At least for my wheel there seems to be a few ways of doing this, either go for a High LFB/Lower Gain or High Gain/Lower LFB. Personally for me I felt that the higher LFB (50-70) gave quite a dull feeling in the middle ground and lost a lot of details, I also couldn't feel much under braking, with it almost feeling like a middle force boost rather than low. When trying to go for any sort of middle ground with the values this resulted in both a loss of detail and weight.

After a good while the best I found was LFB at 15 and Gain at 100. It was the best I could get and then after another race started playing a little with the FX, with this previously left at 50.

The FX setting made a massive difference for me, this might be because the G27 struggles with really low forces but the FX brought in a lot of detail, especially with the suspension and under braking. If I went too far with it then the road noise starts coming through too much.

It's really starting to feel good now. Especially under compression, which I think shows that having a higher gain than 100 (at least for my G27) could yield even better results.

Settings are: Gain 100 , LFB 15, FX 75

 

@Koinden With a Gain of 100, don’t you get a lot of clipping? I ended up with 70/80/40 on my G27.

 

The first post has not been edited since the last update, is there an official updated post to inform us on what the recommendations are with the new FFB set ups for the different wheel types?

 

So you don’t “know absolutely for sure”. You “think” or you “believe”. It’s different. As is everyone’s taste in FFB. Just because a small sample of people report an experience, it doesn’t make it a hard fact.

 

can you tell me your settings in TM control panel and ingame ffb settings?

 

No, I didn't notice any clipping. That said, I was going by feel when I was setting it up last night as I know the limits pretty well from having the wheel for 8 years. I only tend to use the on screen meters when fine tuning specific cars (R3E for example) now.

The fact that it was noticeably stronger under compression also makes me feel like it's not hitting the limit under a normal corner, but still weaker than R3E and AC which shows no clipping is happening.

If I get the time tonight I'll fire it up and run it with the meter to be sure. I was however getting a lot of clipping with gain at 100 and a higher LFB value if that helps, I had to lower LFB down to 15.

Perhaps with my wheel being 8 years old and with almost daily use it's weakened it? I don't know if that's possible with a gear based wheel but I remember quite well that GT5 was pretty harsh on the feedback, especially on the gravel and snow tracks.

 

Thx. Will try later. I have a TM500RS as well. Glad to see someone else havung that wheel at last.

My setting: 42 8 48 TM standard but force at 100 instead of 60.

 

I think my wheel is also around 8 years old. I tried your setting and it feels quite ok, however in some occasions my wheel rattled a bit more. I checked the Telemetry HUD and noticed some minor clipping, but not very much. I will keep my setting, also because I think on these Logitech wheels Reiza recommended using higher LFB values, even up to 80, which was also used in AMS1 I believe.

 

Thanks for trying the settings, yeah I noticed a little bit of rattle but nothing too crazy. Perhaps the difference comes down to the track/car combo as I've only tried my settings on a handful of each so far.

I can't remember what I previously set for AMS1, I haven't really had any serious time on that sim since getting VR. I could always re-install it to find out I guess. I know Reiza recommend the high LFB approach, but at least for me and with the combos I tried I found the lower LFB (about 10-20) to be better. All I know is that it's enjoyable for me to race with those settings and a higher Gain and FX so I'll keep with them for now, well at least until the next FFB update rolls out!

 

I use as shown in the both pics.
Reason is, in my equipment, (OSW Small Mige 20nm)
if I use Gain only (LFB and FX off) I can't figure out what the rear of the car is doing.
LFB higher than 10% put some "noise" in the wheel's axle.
FX higher than 18-20% makes the car too planted on ground and car get's too controllable lol
Would be nice to know your settings too.

 

Thanks mate.

Edit-outdated figures

 

It was never represented as a hard fact--go back and read what I wrote. I was simply trying to be helpful because a bunch of users of that hardware on here were happy, which I clarified in my reply in case it wasn't already obvious.

Why are you belabouring this point instead of contributing something useful, since neither you nor I have a Logi wheel?

 

Actually, much like suspension, you do want a small amount of clipping in the highest load conditions. If you don't hit the red at least a bit on each lap, you don't you are leaving some feedback on the table.

 

Yeah, 75 seems to be the best Gain setting for the CSW 2.5 and like you I have LFB at around 20 - 25.
With FX at 35 the engine vibration is a little too high for my taste, did modify the Custom file and set engine vibration to 0.2 and that was so much better but unless I raise the FX to 90 I feel very little tyre scrub. Hopefully the new update will remedy that.
Also had a play with the Minimum Force setting and while it did help with straight line forces, bumps and scrub, it was a bit clunky/spikey, really needs some smoothing that can be applied there.
Looking forward to the next update

 

Minimum force is important and I think I remember they will put it as an accessible setting. That will remove our "dead zone" for wheels which need that. My T500RS (to not say all T500RS according forums) have around 8% dead zone, so any forces below will not be felt on our wheel.

 

My read is that a very small amount will be added into New (but not Old) in the background mix. That's the way it was done initially (before being withdrawn). I do not expect to see a slider for it.

 

I hope not, without a slider min force is useless. Every wheel has it's own deadzone and needs a different min force.