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I think we need ffb clipping utility and pedals on hud...

 

OK looks like i must apologize, seems i was talking out of my arse. This morning i fired up my rig and my ghub software had updated. I had to reinstall my wheel because of it. So i fired up AMS2 to continue testing and decided to try damping at 0 and damping at 100. There felt no difference. I'm guessing earlier when i had heavy wheel and light wheel there must have been something amiss with how it was setup.

 

First of all, spring and damper are artificial effects.

Second, we have Devs that recommend this: Devs from Studio 397 (for rF2) and now a Dev from Reiza telling us to set spring and damper to zero. It's not a myth but a recommended setting by game devs.

Sorry, but I will take advice from game devs over some random guy on a forum

 

And why do all wheel manufactures (Logitech and TM) use 100 damper and spring as default ?
The question why the zeroing has been asked many times to the devs during the last month, never got any answer.
Can you give us any confirmation from TM or Logitech to claim this ?

 

For T300 user
@Renato Simioni

TEST
AMS v 0.8.0.2
car: Stock V8
circuit: Spielberg GP

20 total laps

5 laps with 0% Spring and 0% Dumping
5 laps with 100% Spring and 100% Dumping
5 laps with 0% Spring and 0% Dumping
5 laps with 100% Spring and 100% Dumping
(settings made in the Windows Control Panel of T300)

This repetitions were made to clear the "muscle memory" under testing.

NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL with or without spring and damping forces.

These are my Control settings in AMS2 (95% FFB strenght in the Windows Control Panel of the T300)




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I made a full calibration for pedals, even repeating the press and depress activities. The bars go only at 100 and remain "full bars" even if I get the pressure off the pedals.

At 236 km/h if I make a full pressure on brakes, AMS comunicate a sound of "fsssssshhhhh". There's no smoke from the tires but I think it's a sound that indicates a blocking.

The last patch has begun to fix the physics of some cars, but the general (provisional) feeling is so "arcadish". (Please, please, take this term with a grain of salt)
The simulation has gaps. The braking, acceleration and mileage are mostly "silky". It's not about the strength of the FFB, but the definition of the road surface.
The cars are on average "rubbery", and it's more evident as the lap limit increases.
The more you get to the edge of the track, grip and car, the more the simulation "gets away" from the steering wheel.

Let's see how it goes. I'm with you.

 

The only time when setting damping in the driver does something is when the car stands still. As soon as you reach like 5km/h or so it turns the driver damping off. This means with damping set to on the engine vibrations won't cause oscillations and you get that sticky tyres feel, which is realistic. So correct me if I'm wrong but turning it off would only make sense if you want your wheel to go crazy in the garage and feel like the car is floating. Not sure if there even is a sim where setting damping in the driver has an effect when actually driving.

 

Exactly.
The big reason why some devs recommend 0 for damping and spring is just simple "our game don't use it anyway". And if you only use games witch doesn't use these, you can leave it at 0.
BUT, there are games like Raceroom and Dirt Rally 2.0 who already confirmed they use damping and it is recommended to set damping and spring to 100, otherwise their ffb doesn't work like intended.
Conclusion : if you like most of us use many different racing games, just use the default setting witch is 100 for damping and spring.

 

For what it is worth, without really realizing I had set damping to zero when originally setting the game, so I tried it at 100 today. I like it better at zero, damping adds some resistance to the wheel that makes it slower but also feel weird to me. To each his own, but I like mine better at zero.

 

I am driving with a CSR Elite, I have damping on my wheel software at 100.
I have it at zero in game.

 

I really hope they implement this.

 

It is called: controller damping.

 

It makes no difference for wheels, i just tested it. I'm pretty sure this is a setting for controllers/game pads just like Controller vibration.
Quote from PC2 website :
"Controller Damping
If you’re using a gamepad, you can use this setting to control how quickly you can steer from extreme-to-extreme (or lock-to-lock). A lower value gives you a faster steering response: a higher value will give you a slower response."

edit : this is a good example how misinformation and confusion starts.

 

My revised wheel settings for SimuCube1:
Note: Direct Input Effects not used by AMS2.

SC1 Recon-Filter: 6 (was 8)
SC1 Friction: 0.8%
SC1 Damping: 1.5%

AMS2 FFB Gain: 35-40% (depending on car used)
AMS2 LFB: 25% (was 50%)
AMS FX: 23%

 

I agree and I am sorry to add to the confusion as I am just trying to help sharing my findings. As we wrote before, why are the devs, in a thread started by Reiza, not stepping it and set the record straight?

As I wrote above, I felt a difference (not huge but it was there) and stand by it, but it could be placebo, always hard to tell with placebo, the mind is a powerful thing.
I am leaving it a zero anyway since I am not using a controller.

 

Raceroom experience has its own dampening setting which pulls from the driver settings so if set to off it cant add a percentage of game settings dampening from a 0 driver setting.