Automobilista - How the FFB works and what is new about it

i am new to ams but have some strange problems with the ffb on my g920. i have it at 360 degrees because i like that the most. if i am driving it feels like it is on a cliff, if i steer left or right the wheel seems to want to go full lock by it self even if i am standin still. it is even so that if the wheel is full lock left or right while standing still, the wheel goes completly to the other side when i move the wheel a bit. i think it really shouldnt be doing that. i had it on the mini, f3 and even f1 v10. tried upping and lowering the ffb, and also changed the ffb preset, but nothing helped. i am on win 7 btw and have the newest firmware and driver from logitech. i dont have this problem in other sims and also not on my xbox one. i hope someone can help me.

and maybe off topic. when i want to change things in the controls options ingame when i start the game up, it goes to an other preset than the one i made. and inwould like to know how i can set the auto upshift and tc off on th f1 v10.

 

Change the FFB value from positive to negative (or vice versa).

About the controls, I think you need to make the changes you want and save it as a preset. It will show another preset name when you restart the game, but that doesn't mean it is the loaded preset.

And F-V10, check the setup screen. Bottom left.

 

thanks for the reply, as far as i know i already tried changing the ffb to negative, but i will try again tonight. if it works or not i will reply again.

as for the f v10, i will try that also.

 

i have tried the negative ffb now, it is much better. the cars now feel like they should. i still need to tweak the ffb, to make it feel even better, and to get rid of the heavy damping while standing still or going slow. but thanks to get rid of that strange cliff feeling in the ffb.

 

My force feedback is not working and only with automobilista. I race mainly in iRacing and i tested raceroom to check FFB. There is any conflict between sims?

I have G27 and windows 10

 

No, there isn't.
Have you tried following the ffb setup instructions in the game's manual?

 

Can someone please tell me the default RealFeel MaxForceAtSteeringRack values for the F301 and F309?

It's in the RealFeelPlugin.ini file (open with notepad) in Am's main folder (steam --> steamapps --> common --> Automobilista).

Thanks

 

Yes, and somewhat bizarre that two almost identical cars would have such different MaxForce values.

 

Thanks. I discovered a while back that MaxForceSteeringRack is not based on the in-game car's Nm but on another type of measurement. This measurement also cannot be converted to Nm as it's something entirely different. This leads me to my question: if I set every car in the game to the same value (eg. 10,000), will all cars still scale globally? For eg.: is a MaxForceSteeringRack FFB output during a turn of 2500 in an F3 the same "strength"/"power" as 2500 in the road-car Camaro and a kart and a Truck, etc.?

In iRacing and rFactor 2, you can set a global Nm-FFB output so that all cars scale accordingly from this setting. In AM, would setting the MaxForceSteeringRack of every car to the same value do exactly the same thing or can it potentially be different since MaxForceSteeringRack is not a Nm measurement (nor can it be converted to Nm)?...

 

Care to elaborate?

 

You are saying the F309 and F301 are dramatically different chassis that would explain such a big gap in the MaxSteering setting? I think they are almost identical (certainly each relative to any other AMS cars), but the internal programming got tweaked. Same reason in reverse that so many wildly different cars work well at the same default 2500 setting.

You could reprogram all the cars so they felt "proper" at 2500 and then let people scale from there, or, give-up on that, and just make the default MaxForce setting appropriate based on whatever is going on with the car's programming. I think AMS started out doing the former, but has moved to the latter as time pressure and more and more vehicles have appeared.

 

Exactly. Those things would be almost imperceptibly different between the F301 and F309--even in real life!

 

Hmmm. I'm not sure I understand. Is a force of 2500 in car A the same as 2500 in car B? Or is there more to it than that since the unit used is not Nm nor is it something that can be converted to Nm therefore maybe something different is being calculated which means 2500 in one car may equal a different output-FFB-strength from 2500 in another car?

How can the Trucks hit 11500. I know they're heavy but 11500 means the FFB output of the trucks has more force than the crazy racecars with no power steering? This seems odd to me. Again, maybe this measurement being used for AM is not comparable between 2 different cars (when they both achieve the same number)?

I'm not understanding either how both F3s can be so different...Are they extremely different chassis, suspension, steering, etc.?
Can you explain what you mentioned previously about Reiza having 2 different methods of setting up the steering force or whatever you were saying? I didn't really understand (you said one way was to save more time or something?).

 

Not really, similar cars can have very different caster settings, for instance. The F309 has 13deg of caster, and the F301 has 10.5 (default), so it's to be expected that the F309 produces higher forces (it's not caster exactly what causes it, but the caster trail).

I have data from different F3 models and they all have different caster angles, it's nothing strange.

 

Hello,

what could be the minimum force for a CSL Wheel Base? It's almost as strong as a CSW V2.
Thanks.