Guess who the admin is here. Reiza and the game. Which one of those has invalidated lap times yet? Neither. What does this tell you? I don't like the winning at all costs mentality either, but we don't have a leg to stand on in complaining against it. There are rules which dictate how you compete. If you are within those rules then there is no problem and that is the end of the discussion. "I don't like" is nothing. If we don't want this to be acceptable we tell Reiza, we do not whinge at Matty28 and consider him to be "sick", and we get the rules changed. I do not listen to people telling me to deliberately lose in order to conform to their own rules. It really is as simple as this: 1) You can do this under the rules 2) Some people think it shouldn't be acceptable under the rules (everyone) 3) Some people understand that they haven't got a leg to stand on (me) and that people can do this if they want to and instead of whining about it, get on with it and use it too. 4) Some people think they have a leg to stand on (the others), refuse to use it and then whine to the people who are using it. 5) Reiza can choose to stop it in which case everyone will stop using it, until then it will continue. @jose46lopez Post your lap please. I'm really interested to know how I can match your time on Londrina 2 but can't get anywhere near your time on Londrina 1. You sure you aren't using any other "tricks" are you? Also interesting that @KARTEK can be substantially slower than me in all 3 previous weeks but miles ahead of me this week even though I'm using his setup. Post your lap please. Both of you are miles faster than Turks, the one we probably all consider to be easily the best in the competition. No you aren't, since i wrote the above you've clearly used the "trick". More hypocrisy rears its ugly head. That is unless you have changed your mind and admit that it is currently within the rules and there is nothing wrong with doing it currently.