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Camaro SS is broken

Discussion in 'Automobilista 2 - General Discussion' started by Freeway, Aug 4, 2020.

  1. Avoletta1977

    Avoletta1977 Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Yes, I always do.
    No difference at all.
     
  2. Pixel

    Pixel Active Member

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    Yeah, tried it again last night. It's still sh**. Even the AI can't drive it as they continuously slammed at me at Donington Park.
     
  3. RzR

    RzR New Member

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    I have to say i kinda agree.
    The car feels like a boat, the back steps out way too easy on every opportunity. So far it's been really hard for me to build my confidence with it on track.
    I drove the Camaro SS myself a few times in real life and i don't remember i had that much trouble driving her aggressively.
     
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  4. Nolive721

    Nolive721 Active Member

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    gave the car another chance today but its still a plain awful driving experiece.

    Will follow this thread from time to time but for sure i am not touching it in the game anymore
     
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  5. Avoletta1977

    Avoletta1977 Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Yes, sadly no physics updates in the latest build. :(
     
  6. Dean Ogurek

    Dean Ogurek "Love the Simulation You're Dreaming In." AMS2 Club Member

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    Yeah, when I think about how the AMS2 Camaro SS behaves compared to my experience with the RL Camaro and Mustang (@450hp), the AMS2 version needs some significant revising in overall handling and how it puts power to the track surface.

    I get the sense that the rolling-resistance is holding back the AMS2 car, causing excessive wheel-spin. In RL, those cars are very efficient at smoothly accelerating without inducing wheel-spin (TC off).

    Even the 600 & 735hp versions (RL) are comfortably driven on the street, so long as you don't stomp the go-pedal in lower gears (with TC disabled). Understandably, the car owner gets upset when people turn TC off (unless experienced and on track).
     
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  7. SuperMonaco_GP

    SuperMonaco_GP Active Member

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    I have no idea how the real car drives but for me the AMS2 version is a blast to drive, I'm on SC2 and I could drive that for hours, so funny and challenging at the same time.
     
  8. bobbie424242

    bobbie424242 Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    2020: Camaro is broken
    2021: Camaro is broken
    2022: Camaro is broken
    2023: Camaro is broken

    If you do not enjoy it in its current state (at least a bit), you will find it indefinitely broken
     
  9. CrimsonEminence

    CrimsonEminence Administrator Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I would be careful with that "evaluation".^^ (You really shouldn't make fun of it all the time btw., we get it, you have no problem with the car, we understood ;) )

    Let's have a look at it, after the differential issues in AMS2 are rectified or fixed and the car doesn't drive like having a spool anymore. Until then all this here is pointless anyway.
     
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  10. Ettore

    Ettore Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Didn't drive the Camaro, but for many other cars the diff settings were changed already in one of the last updates when Renato instructed us to cancel the previous setups exactly because diff ranges were changed.
    Were there any changes to the Camaro diff pre-load values at that point?
     
  11. CrimsonEminence

    CrimsonEminence Administrator Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    The changes did not help. (The cars still show almost no to absolutely no wheel differentiation and the ones, that show some differentiation, like the G55, are still making the impression, it could be more) It's a deeper issue.
     
  12. Ettore

    Ettore Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Is that based on feelings or based on further telemetry checking?
     
  13. Avoletta1977

    Avoletta1977 Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Both
     
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  14. Ettore

    Ettore Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Means it has been checked after the update of two weeks ago?
     
  15. CrimsonEminence

    CrimsonEminence Administrator Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I have...telemetry for several cars, also all caterhams etc. (post update of course)

    Renato has tagged one of my posts with a "useful" (also the one, where i have recorded the G55 Telemetry that showed some kind of working LSD + other not working cars ), so they definetly know about it.^^
     
  16. Freeway

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    For me, the Camaro SS is the litmus test for whether or not AMS2 can reasonably simulate an actual car. Thus far, no luck. Doesn't mean Reiza can't do it. Just means they haven't done it yet. Trying to be patient. But, it isn't easy.
     
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  17. CrimsonEminence

    CrimsonEminence Administrator Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    You will survive it mate...don't start asking me about the F-Retro class :D, that severely suffers from the LSD issues, but there is no other way, than waiting, now.^^
     
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  18. Ettore

    Ettore Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Then I agree... In some cars it is clearly working and in some others it appears to be (more) locked. But in general I don't think differentiation is broken in the game: IMO it feels like smaller/less powerful cars are showing more locking then they should, maybe due to numerical issues (pre-load range on the bottom, number/effect of clutches etc.)...
     
  19. CrimsonEminence

    CrimsonEminence Administrator Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I also suspected it, but this doesn't apply fully because then the G55 shouldn't differentiate more, than a FClassic G1-M1, very likely, if this would be the case ;)

    Open diff and LSD have some kind of issue on several cars.
    Geared and Ratcheting were fine. (also the Camaro felt a lot more believeable with geared diff/torsen diff, which is somewhat strange...same for F-Retro)

    Generally even 0 Nm Preload doesn't rectify the issue, it could still be something connected to it, but i'm sure, Reiza can take a way better look at that.^^
     
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    CrimsonEminence Administrator Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    @Ettore
    An example in addition:
    Btw., it's not "more" locked...it's basically "locked".
    This is the post update 620R (no clue if it also received tweaks, though)
    No differentiation with LSD. Blue and Yellow are the wheelspeeds at the rear, you can lay the graphs over each other and they are 99% the same.^^'
    620R.png (click)
     

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