Formula-Retro drivability

Oversteer can also happen, if your rear wheels are in contact to the ground differently and the diff begins to make crazy stuff, or the car starts pitching the front more....there are more reasons for sure, why it will not just end in understeer all the time. (Also most over crest snap is happening while turning in the F-Retro, which already means a shift of balance in some way)

It's is not totally wrong to assume lost of any front authority by losing the front contact patch totally, though.

 

The Aero and tyre in the newest Beta update has received some tweaks, it seems, so maybe there are things changing or improving soon, who knews.^^

Btw. do you mean lowering completely or raking it more positive?

 

Yeah i meant front down more, sorry...
You have a lower CoG and the wing can work more efficiently, i would assume. I always learned, the lower you can get away with an aero car without bottoming, the better, some just need more or less rake...the F-Retro doesn't feature a diffuser, but something like the BT44, for example, assumingly uses a Ventury device at the front so could be benefiting there for sure for downforce, no clue about the M23, though. Less rake and generally lower ride height should also benefit top speed, afaik. You are lower, less angle of attack and air goes there, where it is supposed to be, but i'm just guessing.^^

 

Then i ask myself, why in the beta update, it's now possible (Btw. it happened also on partially throttled cars...) It still upsets balance, going over crests (rightful so), but it doesn't behave crazy anymore.

Driven the M23 right now on Bathurst in 1.0.0.7, you can attack the Mountain fine now...but yeah...maybe i choose the right car :->

EDIT: BT44 same...it's a bit more nervous, but totally fine. Normally the small crest on the straight after the first corner already was doing weird things. Now it jumps a bit and you manage it, can be a bit more wonky, but this is down to driving and setup.
Especially everything around Skyline wants to be attacked now.

EDIT2:
Reiza did their job again and i hope it will find its way into the main build soon. It's not an overexaggerated step, it's fine tuning, but whatever screws been driven, they were the right ones.

I have now tried a light qualy Fuel BT44 over the Mountain. This car can be rocketed now, but don't you dare to bottom out. When it goes over crests, it depends on how your rear wing is set and how abruptly you go into corners. It's comprehensible, when pushing, instead of tip-toe-ing. Same vibes, like Oulton Classic for me now. The behaviour in slipstream also varies a bit, but doesn't unsettle the car to a crazy degree.

 

Then maybe you were the one, not getting what was meant.^^

I have no problems with it now.^^ Well, it seems, we were talking about different things
Especially managing rear wing and throttle application now leads to control after driving over a crest while turning. It becomes critical, as soon the rear wing is at 5, but still manageable on the BT44.

 

And this is totally correct and was never wrong in AMS2.

It was more of the way, how the tyres were regaining grip themselves. Or perhaps also like aero was/is behaving.

At their first beta release, for example, the F-Retro class was undriveable on something like Oulton Park Classic on the limit in several areas, especially the BT44 or over the crest at the Interlagos Historic Start/Finish line into the lefthander, no matter how good your throttle control, clutchkick(let's call it clutch application for the better), brake dip and setup were, it was spinning into the lefthand wall without recovery options. After a very fast hotfix by Reiza, they felt way better and began to be fun as hell.

This has improved more and more and IMO is also still improving.

To maybe give an optimistic perspective on something looking forward to, because the F-Retro will receive tweaks for the next main build. No sorcery or magic stability control. Just tiny tweaks on the exactly right places. IMO (if this is considered to be leaking or smth. btw. i delete it)


I and i assume also nobody else here meant, that jumping or going over crests with these cars should be without any effect on stability and syncing wheels to ground speed is also recommended. Like mentioned, it's not the "if", it was the "how".

 

Ah btw.:
His track guides and tutorials helped me gaining 2 seconds in pace, back then, when i made the transition from GTR2 to AMS1...not even joking. I basically learned better trail braking and a basic understanding of the traction circle by his videos. (I was doing some things severely wrong for over 10 years, not kidding). It is no magical recipe to turn someone into an eSports Alien, but you get some capabilities "unraveled".

This was in a time, when the Driver61 channel wasn't even that popular yet and had no sim focus at all, i'm such a hipster, i know

But he doesn't seem condescending to me at all, never got the impression so far

 

Getting airborne at Flugplatz also unsettles the BT44 in rF2 pretty much, but it catches itself better. I almost suspect, because it's more reactive on the front in this sim so you can catch it by wheel, instead by pedals.
Wait for the 1.0.0.7. build, maybe it's already more satisfying. (IMO it is )

 

Just to clarifiy: It's not debated about "if" they jump, it would be totally unrealistic, to not see them do so.

The F-Retro class in 1.0.0.3 are just, what i would call a bit sensitive when regaining grip and aero efficiency. No matter how realistic it might be. And this has IMO changed a bit for the beta build right now. No huge differences IMO, very subtle, but it now behaves better, when the cars are lighter and you will not lose the car over slight dips (i don't even mean crests), even if you were full throttle, because it catches "itself" a bit better.^^

The impression of "confidence" is better. So this discussion about the drivability could maybe soon again shift to the bad turn-in

 

Yeah, it also doesn't make me wanting to rip out my hair and eat it anymore, since the last tweaks and the improvements on pedalling these things are pretty fine. It was just the first major "issue", that was noticeable with them.